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    Loyal72 got a reaction from BlueAvenger in 2 year plan   
    Turns out I was taken in by his carsales approach after all. The shame of it tbf.
    Hindsight is brilliant.
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    Loyal72 reacted to ForeverAndEver in 2 year plan   
    He shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near the club nevermind bring in his own coaching team.
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    Loyal72 reacted to McEwan's Lager in 2 year plan   
    TL;DR: We need to build a proper, sustainable, modern football department bottom up. Koppen and Robertson need time to build it. Short term: Don't sign injury prone or old players. Sacrificing 'most successful football club in the world' short term is worth it if we can build an organisation that eventually gets into the habit of winning two or three titles on the spin, have a rebuilding year, win another few titles on the spin. Otherwise we'll continue having to overspend just to win one title every 8 or 9 years and continue sacking managers and having continual upheaval.
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    We could go out and throw the kitchen sink at winning the league next season. Sign a whole bunch of players, load ourselves up with more debt to the directors and investors etc. Buy a new striker for millions and still retain Dessers and Danilo, things like that. That's the sort of thing we did to an extent in the 55 season and it's not given us any real long term success and consistency. We need to have a club wide football approach rather than just a next season approach. Players, staff and fans treated 55 like the be all and end all and that, imo, has cost us.
    Since 2015 we have focused maybe a bit too much on first team player issues without properly looking at everything as a whole. That's not a criticism per se, most fans only care about success on the park at first team level. There's obviously been changes and a focus at times in the academy, medical, sports science, recruitment but we seem to go through different approaches and ripping things up regularly in every aspect, and it doesn't always change at the same time as the manager.
    At DOF level we had McParland come in and implement an old school model of using a small pool of agents and an agency he knew, he was basically head of player recruitment rather than DOF. We've then given £10m or so to Caixinha to go out and buy his own personal preferences. Then we've moved to Mark Allen and Ross Wilson via a DOF model, before scrapping that for one summer when we gave the keys of the kingdom to the court jester. Now we seem to have a bit of a hybrid approach where from the outside looking in it seems Creag Robertson is more of the Technical Director and Koppen is a Head of Scouting / Recruitment. Lets give them a bit of time and a remit to go through the club root and branch.
    At youth level we have had a big churn in the Senior part of the academy. Over the past few years we've had people like Murty, Lovenkrands, and Johansson all leave, although I think Johansson is now back in. At the top, Mulholland goes, he's filled by promotion by Jacobs, who is out the door less than a season after getting the top role. I'm not sure what happens at Intermediate phase and below, @STEPPS BOY may know.
    On the scouting front Mark Allen built up the scouting network, again from scratch. But then I think we had quite a few leave under Wilson and it's been ripped up in the summer to move to this new data driven model. 
    Medical we've had Waller leave and come back, Sports Science seems a bit more stable with Polychronopolous and Flannigan still there, but different football fitness demands from successive management churn will have taken their toll. I'm not sure what's happened with that injury management approach we signed up to using last season. If it's still in place it doesn't seem to be working well?
    All of this chopping and changing has occurred over 9 years. The majority of it accelerated over the last two / three seasons. Hyper accelerated this past summer. We got away with having no discernible and coherent structure under Gerrard through his sheer force of personality, his drive basically held the football side together. But this is the 21st Century. Force of personality managers like him (and Walter, and SAF) don't exist anymore at the top level and any sane top level club is no longer run where they rely on sheer determination to cut through. If we want to appoint decent managers, especially from Europe, then they are going to expect to have a fully functioning and coherent structure in place. Modern coaches expect that.
    It's a hard thing to stomach but getting scouting, recruitment and the academy right, and making sure that Koppen and Robertson are in it for the long term is just as important as putting a team on the park next season. Otherwise we may have some short term success, we then eventually sack Clement, get another manager in, who will then inevitably fail as well because we haven't got a structure to support a modern day manager. 
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    In terms of recruitment for next season the first thing that really needs to stop is our saviour complex approach to signing players. At times our recruitment over the last few years resembles that one friend we all have who lurches from troubled partner to troubled partner because they have they think they can fix them, eventually realise they can’t, and then move on to the next person they think they can fix. Rinse and repeat.
    Seeing potential upside value in a player has often fit into one of two categories for us. The first is players that have had significant injury/health issues or recurring issues to overcome (Goldson, Balogun, Helander, Roofe, Dowell, Davies, Souttar, Ramsay) and the other is players that had high potential as a youngster but haven’t quite lived up to their promise yet (Barker, Flanagan, Hagi, Lawrence, Bacuna, Matondo, Cantwell).
    Whenever we sign one of the two types of players above, here, FF and X are inundated with comments that start along the lines of “if we can get them fit again”, or “if we can get them back to their best” and invariably finishes with “we will make a fortune/we’ll be laughing”. It hardly ever works.
    Out the list of the above, only Goldson has given us significant return on investment over multiple campaigns. And I don't think it's a coincidence that was because he had a fixable health issue rather than an injury issue. Morelos, Aribo, Bassey and Kamara are the best upside value signings we have made and none of them fit into the above. We need more of them, and we need to cash in at the right time (Aribo and Bassey) vs the wrong time (Kamara) or never (Morelos).
    It's imperative we don't sign a load of players that are 28/29 years old as well. We need to look at players on the up in the 21-24 year old bracket. That's where we will maximise any potential returns against on field results.
    The two exceptions I would make is an experienced 6 and an experienced CB. We need a proper footballer in the middle of the park and a leader at the back, as well as having personalities that can drag the squad with them. The biggest thing we have squandered imo from the 55 season is losing McGregor, Davis (and Arfield, sort of), with no cross over of players to carry their torch, so to speak. They were signed to bridge the continuity gap with successful sides we lost when we got demoted. Take a hit on contractual value with those two positions in order to actually get some experienced winners in the side that can take the squad with them. And ensure that players we sign can grow and pick up the mantle. If we can find a 24 year old that can fill that roll, even better. Celtic have managed it with Carter-Vickers. Why can't we?
    The other thing we need to stop is filling the squad with filler options that are expensive. Devine, McKinnon, Fraser, McCausland etc can all do jobs as options. Celtic do this with Scales, Walsh, Ralston. Why can't we? We can't be paying £4m for our 4th choice CB any longer.
    Lastly I'd want to know wider issue around culture at the club and the environment we create for players. I do want to know why players like Cedric Itten and Sam Lammers can't produce at Rangers. Celtic can sign a player from the Eredivise with a good scoring record like Giakoumakis and he comes in and while not exactly on fire, he more than contributes to two title wins and then off he goes for a profit. We seem to chew up players who do well in leagues better than ours and spit them out. It will kill us long term as an attractive option for talented players.
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    The above is the only way we get back to being a successful club long term, with sustained success in bursts of seasons upon seasons. If we continue as we are we will win the league once every 8 or 9 years while spending a horrendous amount of money, and only winning it when Celtic are in a transition period. I'd sacrifice not being the most successful club next season and the next across leagues / trophy count, if it meant we gain it back in 5 or 10 years and then never relinquish it again.
     
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    Loyal72 reacted to The Specky Forum Organiser in 2 year plan   
    No we weren't. Gio brought in £60m+ that allowed his successor the chance at heavily spending during his rebuild. Beale left us having spent a fortune leaving limited funds for his successor to spend.
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    Loyal72 reacted to .Williamson. in 2 year plan   
    I fucking hate Michael Beale 
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    Loyal72 reacted to BlueSuedeSambas in 2 year plan   
    I don’t even think they entertained the idea of appointing anybody else either. That’s where the criticism deserves to come from. Everybody could see what the end game was from the minute the snake showed up for that Aberdeen game, and even though I thought he deserved a chance to build his own team and squad, it was an absolute shocker of an appointment. How can you look at Gio (who I don’t think was right for us either) with his playing career, managerial career and what he had done with us and say “no we don’t quite trust him fully to go and get who he wants” and then a year later look at Beale and say “fuck it give him 12-15 million”. It’s genuinely the sort of thing that The Athletic podcast would cover as a long form show and you would laugh like fuck about how shambolic it was if it was any other club apart from your own.
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    Loyal72 reacted to STEPPS BOY in 2 year plan   
    Lazy, Short sighted nonsense mate.
    Sums them up.
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    Loyal72 reacted to RFC55 in 2 year plan   
    Im absolutely disgusted that we went back to him, I’m disgusted that’s Wilson and Robertsons legacy, leaving us with that dick:
    id have more respect had they for example went to Scandinavia and took the Copenhagen manager, or went to Holland and took the AZ manager, a different approach, but no they defo went with the, it worked with him and Steven role and assumed it would work.
     
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    Loyal72 reacted to STEPPS BOY in 2 year plan   
    A DOF should have been appointed but even then, when handing him keys to the till did no one, at any point, think him signing players who had played well against him at youth level years back or had starred in games 4 year ago was mental.
    Gross mismanagement from Bennett and Bisgrove.
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from The Specky Forum Organiser in 2 year plan   
    Because if one person suggests it, you get clowns like Samba "hahaha you gunna do it?!" 
    There needs to be a unanimous feeling among the support, supporters groups.
    I don't have the pull to go and unite everyone. 
    Yet no one seems to give a fuck about how pathetic we've actually become. People say it's not right to boo players, don't act like that lot and protest etc.
    Standards are in the toilet, and large sections of our new age support facilitates it.
     
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from The Specky Forum Organiser in 2 year plan   
    When do we fucking riot then? When do we say this board have took Rangers as far as they can? 
    We've meekly sat here and watched ourselves be caught up while this board gambled from a position of strength that upgrades weren't needed.
    Shit manager after shit manager.
    No funds available.
    It's ass!
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    Another that doesn't know that new age can just mean a new way of thinking arising in an already set way of thinking.
    I'm two years younger than you.  I'm not saying you're a wee boy mate.
    I'm fucking appalled by how far we've fallen off, and how quick people are to say it's okay next time. Look at the utter mental gymnastics @J-Maestro is doing right now to try and say no-one could blame the board for giving Beale so much money and not sticking to the plan they said they'd stick to.
    Like I said me personally I don't have the pull to step out and say right, it's go time. I've spoken to others that feel the same, there are probably those in RSCs that feel it too.
    I can only vent right now. I'm dejected with it all, maybe everyone else is too and that's why nothings happened.
    We're already past the protest stage. 😴
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    Loyal72 reacted to Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    You’re missing the point completely. He should have been giving the same budget but with someone sitting giving an oversight and researching his potential targets but what he said went which is wrong for any manager never mind a rookie.
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from Amokachi in 2 year plan   
    They sacked Robertson and Wilson, then changed their chairs about, told everyone look it's different now, give it a chance.
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    Loyal72 reacted to Amokachi in 2 year plan   
    Robertson has been the ‘fall guy’ for Caixinha (as well as many other blips).  
     
    He’s a prime example of the sub standard level of person in big positions throughout the club.  
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    Loyal72 reacted to STEPPS BOY in 2 year plan   
    You can’t be serious here?
    They hired a guy with barely any experience and handed him the keys to the kingdom.
    It was a shocking appointment and they got off very lightly.
     
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    It's unbelievable they hired Beale ffs. Fully bought into the myth that he was the genius in the background, and he conned them.
    Don't blame them for scrapping their plans that they said every manager should stick by, namely a DoF acquiring and identifying the targets, let's let him do it himself and give him more money than anyone to date.
    But it's unbelievable to have a go at them 🤨 wtf man.
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    Loyal72 reacted to Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    It wasn’t the backing him it was giving him an open cheque book with no checks or balances, surely you see that?
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    Exactly this. They done their job because @J-Maestro thought this boards only appointment was Clement.
    Yet the majority were still here even for Caixinha!
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    Loyal72 reacted to Bad Robot in 2 year plan   
    I’m sure most of the board were at the club when they let beale spunk nearly 20 million, that’s incompetence at the highest levels yet they’ve shuffled around the deck chairs hoping no cunt notices.
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    Loyal72 reacted to STEPPS BOY in 2 year plan   
    We wont.
    We had fans Staying behind waiting to clap this shower of Shysters on Tuesday night.
    Also watched Man U game last night and their fans staying behind to show support to team and Ten Haag.
    The two biggest teams in each leagues and both in the same state.
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from demise in Kemar Roofe   
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    Loyal72 reacted to SPWF in Goldson   
    Almost certainly made up shite but because I don’t like the big cunt I’m choosing to believe it’s 100% true because it validates me. 
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from HG5 in Goldson   
    This
    And this.
    Folk could be making up whatever they want, may well even be true, don't care. Just want it over.
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    Loyal72 got a reaction from BlueVanguard in The other mob   
    Point putting yourselves through this? Patch it lads, fuck the tramps.
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