Sir Walter Smith

[superally07 387]

SkysportsNews just said it will be announcing at midnight which sportsmen are in the new years honours list !

Is this when we will find out if Walter becomes a Sir or am i wrong ?

[SirWalterSmithLegend 206]

A knighthood (or a damehood, its female equivalent) is one of the highest honours an individual in the United Kingdom can achieve.

While in past centuries knighthood used to be awarded solely for military merit, today it recognises significant contributions to national life.

Recipients today range from actors to scientists, and from school head teachers to industrialists.

A knighthood cannot be bought and it carries no military obligations to the Sovereign.

The Queen (or a member of the Royal Family acting on her behalf) confers knighthood in Britain, either at a public Investiture or privately.

The ceremony involves the ceremonial dubbing of the knight by The Queen, and the presentation of insignia.

By tradition, clergy receiving a knighthood are not dubbed, as the use of a sword is thought inappropriate for their calling. They are not able to use the title 'Sir'.

Foreign citizens occasionally receive honorary knighthoods; they are not dubbed, and they do not use the style 'Sir'.

Such knighthoods are conferred by The Queen, on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, on those who have made an important contribution to relations between their country and Britain.

Foreign citizens given knighthoods over the years include Chancellor Kohl, President Mitterrand and Mayor Giuliani of New York.

The origins of knighthood are obscure, but they are said to date back to ancient Rome, where there was a knightly class Ordo Equestris (an order of mounted nobles).

Knighthood became an established military guild in many European countries, and it had certain characteristics: a would-be knight would undertake strict military training from boyhood, including some time as an assistant (an esquire) to a knight with whom he rode to war.

He would also have to prove himself worthy according to rules of chivalrous behaviour, such as 'faithfulness to his Saviour and his Sovereign', generosity, self-denial, bravery and skill at arms.

In addition, he would be expected to have the financial ability to support the honour of knighthood, so that he could provide himself with arms, armour, horses and the required number of armed followers to render military service to his Sovereign for a minimum period each year.

In former times, no person could be born a knight: even monarchs and their heirs had to be made knights.

Alfred knighted his grandson Athelstan; William I was knighted when he became king (although he had previously been knighted in Normandy); Edward III, Henry VII and Edward VI were all knighted, after coming to the throne, by one of their subjects.

The conferment of knighthood involved strict religious rites (encouraged by bishops who saw the necessity of protecting the Church, and of emphasising Christian ideals in order to temper the knights' ferocity), which included fasting, a vigil, bathing, confession and absolution before the ceremony took place.

The first and simplest method of knighting was that used on battlefields, when the candidate knelt before the Royal commander of the army and was 'stricken with the sword upon his back and shoulder' with some words such as 'Advances Chevalier au nom de Dieu'. (The action of touching the sword on the recipient's shoulder is known as dubbing.)

The second method involved greater ceremony, which could include the offering by the knight of his sword on the altar.

Although the monarch's 'lieutenants in the wars' and a few others of high birth could knight others, over the years successive Sovereigns began drastically to limit the power to confer knighthood - particularly Henry VIII.

Eventually, it became the custom for monarchs to confer all knighthoods personally, unless this was quite impracticable.

In ceremony of knighting, the knight-elect kneels on a knighting-stool in front of The Queen, who then lays the sword blade on the knight's right and then left shoulder.

After he has been dubbed, the new knight stands up, and The Queen invests the knight with the insignia of the Order to which he has been appointed, or the Badge of a Knight Bachelor.

Contrary to popular belief, the words 'Arise, Sir ...' are not used.

[Creampuff 22,630]

Sir Walter

[Gazzalivesforever 2,010]

Not a chance

[Davidrfc1873 12]

Would be good but doubt it

[4MenHadADream 122]

No chance, don't hold your breath

[Coplandbear11 1,087]

If only....

[RangersMedia 35,961]

He deserves it.

[Ozblue 4,332]

If big Jock knew didn't get one,It's very doubtful that Walter will get one I would imagine.

[RangersMedia 35,961]

If big Jock knew didn't get one,It's very doubtful that Walter will get one I would imagine.

Sometimes you wonder how they actually decide who to give it to. Jock Stein, Bob Paisley and Bill Struth were 3 of the greatest British manager's of all time yet never gained that ultimate recognition.

[RobertN 395]

Think to stand a chance he would need to have lifted a european trophy like alex ferguson maybe even the uefa would have been enough

they tend to reward people who achieve international success

much as we like walter he has not achieved much outside scotland

would not rule out a lesser honour o.b.e or such

[rfcfraserrfc 262]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/31/new-year-honours-unsung-heroes?newsfeed=true

[G.E.C. 19,347]

Can you still be knighted if you have an OBE?

[RangersMedia 35,961]

Can you still be knighted if you have an OBE?

Yes.

[Ozblue 4,332]

Sometimes you wonder how they actually decide who to give it to. Jock Stein, Bob Paisley and Bill Struth were 3 of the greatest British manager's of all time yet never gained that ultimate recognition.

As far as I can gather, it works this way.Johnny public makes a submission to their local MP that so and so is worthy of a knighthood....Said snidey MP then ponders if the nominee is worthy of the honour (getting said MP a bit of publicity for his/her constituancy)

The nomination is then forwarded to a sub-committee of political heavyweights who work tirelessly over many feast laden nights at tremendous expense to the taxpayer uncovering past history of the nominee.

If the sub-committee give the nominee the thumbs up, it is then passed to the Prime Minister's office who then advise the senior advisors to the Monarch that so and so should be given that honour. The Monarch then performs the investiture at lavish garden party, where she hasn't a fucking scooby what the now Knight has done to deserve such an honour.

Who's the local memeber for Carmyle?...AND what team does he support?

[gunslinger 270]

If big Jock knew didn't get one,It's very doubtful that Walter will get one I would imagine.

he was an anti royal pedo harborer. there is a difference.

[Ozblue 4,332]

he was an anti royal pedo harborer. there is a difference.

With all due respects GS, I don't think the sub-committe for consideration of Knighthood selections would have gave that much thought at the time when big Jock was touted for a gong

[RangersMedia 35,961]

As far as I can gather, it works this way.Johnny public makes a submission to their local MP that so and so is worthy of a knighthood....Said snidey MP then ponders if the nominee is worthy of the honour (getting said MP a bit of publicity for his/her constituancy)

The nomination is then forwarded to a sub-committee of political heavyweights who work tirelessly over many feast laden nights at tremendous expense to the taxpayer uncovering past history of the nominee.

If the sub-committee give the nominee the thumbs up, it is then passed to the Prime Minister's office who then advise the senior advisors to the Monarch that so and so should be given that honour. The Monarch then performs the investiture at lavish garden party, where she hasn't a fucking scooby what the now Knight has done to deserve such an honour.

Who's the local memeber for Carmyle?...AND what team does he support?

sounds about right

[gunslinger 270]

With all due respects GS, I don't think the sub-committe for consideration of Knighthood selections would have gave that much thought at the time when big Jock was touted for a gong

he was offered a gong and refused on of their board members took it instead.

don't think it was a knighthood though.

and he's was harbouring peos of course.

[Colonel Mustard 380]

he was offered a gong and refused on of their board members took it instead.

don't think it was a knighthood though.

and he's was harbouring peos of course.

Sir Robert Kelly took the knighthood.

The rumour at the time was that celtic were approached, and asked who from the club should get the honour.

[Colonel Mustard 380]

Think to stand a chance he would need to have lifted a european trophy like alex ferguson maybe even the uefa would have been enough

they tend to reward people who achieve international success

much as we like walter he has not achieved much outside scotland

would not rule out a lesser honour o.b.e or such

This is not true. Trevor Brooking has a knighthood, as did Henry Cooper, Stirling Moss, and others who haven't won a sausage.

Walter Smith should be knighted. We as Rangers fans should be ashamed that we haven't done the necessary shouting to make it happen.

[Ozblue 4,332]

he was offered a gong and refused on of their board members took it instead.

don't think it was a knighthood though.

and he's was harbouring peos of course.

I think Colonel Mustard has about summed it uo GS

[gunslinger 270]

I think Colonel Mustard has about summed it uo GS

[joker69 60]

He well and truely derserves this and as others have said we as a support should have been demanding it for him.

What he achived with no money and a very limited squad should be recognised and will go down in Rangers folklore.

He let me go to a European final something I doubt I will see again in my lifetime and for that you will always be Sir Walter in my eyes.