SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 McGregorGoianAlexanderPapacS NaismithBocanegraEduDavisJelavicFleckLaffertyWallaceAlukoBartleyWyldeOrtizMcKayBedoyaHealyMcMillanWeirNessKerkarGallacherPerryHemmingsMcCabeColeK NaismithB CurrieMcCullochWhittakerBroadfootK HuttonLittleThats why we have no money. Thats why we need to sell before we buy. Thats why we are shopping bargain basement. 4 goalkeepers13 who can play in defence 19 who can or have played in midfield7 who can or have played up front.(Taking into account some players can or have played more than one position)We dont have a reserve league anymore, imo any player who is not eligible for the under 19 team must be classed as a first team player now.So..............who is first to leave then and who will follow?(Apologies if i have left any players out.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Pushed it with some there mate Honestly wouldn't be fussed if all of those were not here next summer.You forgot Davis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycassidy1802 37 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The only thing that bothers me is the amount of injured players we have in one position right now, up front.So long as we keep Jela and Healy stays fit though, I won't moan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 The only thing that bothers me is the amount of injured players we have in one position right now, up front.So long as we keep Jela and Healy stays fit though, I won't moan.We only have 7 options for up front from that 34 mate. 1 gets played in midfield anyway and is injured long term, Naismith.1 is always injured and cannot be relied upon, Lafferty.1 wants to leave, i dont care what anyone says, Jelavic.1 is a kid who is always injured, Hemmings.1 is a kid who it seems it not ready yet and has been loaned out again, K Naismith.1 is David Healy, who again, cannot be relied upon and has only recently been given a game due to us having no other option.1 is Andy Little who is simply not good enough.That 7 that can easily be seen as 0. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycassidy1802 37 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 We only have 6 options for up front from that 34 mate. 1 gets played in midfield anyway and is injured long term, Naismith.1 is always injured and cannot be relied upon, Lafferty.1 wants to leave, i dont care what anyone says, Jelavic.1 is a kid who is always injured, Hemmings.1 is a kid who it seems it not ready yet and has been loaned out again, K Naismith.1 is David Healy, who again, cannot be relied upon and has only recently been given a game due to us having no other option.That 6, can easily be seen as 0.Spot on. That's my only worry, we're pretty strong in every other area for a bit of a change, try offload some fringe players, bring in at least one striker, I'll be happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Plenty there we can do without, need to free up that wage bill and then bring in some quality rather than quality, squad just seems messy to me looking at that list.Sure we can free up some money which can be put to better uses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrox_Nights 429 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Naismith has very rarely actually played as fully fledged striker for us and Kai Naismith is nowhere near the first team. If you include Hemmings who as you say is injured about as often as Lafferty and is still totally unproven, that leaves us still with just 4 strikers at the club.I honestly believe you could axe 7-8 players from that list, replace them with 1 bit of reasonable attacking quality, (I don't expect or mean a Laudrup btw) and we would have actually improved our squad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Naismith has very rarely actually played as fully fledged striker for us and Kai Naismith is nowhere near the first team. If you include Hemmings who as you say is injured about as often as Lafferty and is still totally unproven, that leaves us still with just 4 strikers at the club.I honestly believe you could axe 7-8 players from that list, replace them with 1 bit of reasonable attacking quality, (I don't expect or mean a Laudrup btw) and we would have actually improved our squad.And hopefully our finances Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Ship some out in the summer! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreeky 3 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 And yet so many of those players have hardly had any game time, who would buy them? For all they know they cannot even kick a ball anymore. Surprise surprise, everyone wants one of the few that actually get on the field.How did that happen though? You cannot select a different squad each week. It happened when so many were signed and then not utilised. It happened recently and I hope it does not happen again, a few < 500k transfers that are "squad players" giving us nothing is a waste. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 McGregor - keep no matter whatGoian - at least 1 or 2 more good years in himAlexander - missing something, would like a better number 2Papac - god bless him, i will be sad to see him go at seasons endS Naismith - need him so badlyBocanegra - future captainEdu - best defensive mid we haveDavis - best mid we haveJelavic -cash cowFleck - don't think he will ever fufill his potentialLafferty - able bench/back upWallace- can see him being with us for yearsAluko - hope we keep himBartley - he isnt oursWylde - we can get better i hope, will do for nowOrtiz - waste of a wage it seemsMcKay - would be as well going home, but i would like to see him get a run at some pointBedoya - could do without himHealy - need him right now, has to be better availableMcMillan - cant see what everyone raves about, will have to watch him more if he is ever playedWeir- waste of a wage ( this year)Ness - one for he futureKerkar - he is porbably on pennie, have no issues with him being here as back up to the back upGallacher - who? goalkeeper? no where near the squad, not neededPerry - not neededHemmings - he might come good if he can stay injury freeMcCabe - we need some youthCole - see mcabeK Naismith - see coleB Currie - honestly no idea who he isMcCulloch - get rid ASAPWhittaker - hopefully shows why we extended his conract soon, if not get ridBroadfoot - the man cant even cook a fkn egg, but tbh he is an able back upK Hutton - more youthThats why we have no money. Thats why we need to sell before we buy. Thats why we are shopping bargain basement. 4 goalkeepers12 who can play in defence 19 who can or have played in midfield6 who can or have played up front.(Taking into account some players can or have played more than one position)We dont have a reserve league anymore, imo any player who is not eligible for the under 19 team must be classed as a first team player now.So..............who is first to leave then and who will follow?my feelings have been added to the post, i think we are only wasting a few wages, the rest of the squad is either youth who are not high earners, or needed right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycassidy1802 37 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 my feelings have been added to the post, i think we are only wasting a few wages, the rest of the squad is either youth who are not high earners, or needed right now.Again, spot on.Forgot all about the reserve league disappearing, we definitely need to let go of some of the players who aren't cutting it, to give us a chance to improve and add depth to the areas where it is needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 my feelings have been added to the post, i think we are only wasting a few wages, the rest of the squad is either youth who are not high earners, or needed right now.Everyones wages add up mate, even the youngsters. We are at a stage where getting rid of a "few wages" is still not enough. We need more to go. This year, we actually need quite a considerable number off the wage bill.May i ask how you think Rhys McCabes game is improving constantly sitting on the bench behind the likes of Lee McCulloch whos only contribution to the team is negative? This lad is supposed to have a huge future ahead yet isnt getting a sniff of first team action. Same can be asked of Ross Perry, Jordan McMillan, both of whom play second fiddle to a player who is not even ours. Young players or not, if they are not playing and not contributing then they are no use to us. We need to either loan them out, give them a chance or let them go. It could also be argued players over the age of 19 are no longer youths, they should be at a stage where they can bring something to the table. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrox_Nights 429 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Rhys McCabe looks a cracking player. I'd love to see him getting a loan deal at a decent level to someone who might actually give him First Team game time. If the Fleck thing to Blackpool isn't going to happen because of our shortage upfront, I'd love to see McCabe playing under somebody like Holloway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Rhys McCabe looks a cracking player. I'd love to see him getting a loan deal at a decent level to someone who might actually give him First Team game time. If the Fleck thing to Blackpool isn't going to happen because of our shortage upfront, I'd love to see McCabe playing under somebody like Holloway.Rhys is going to be a cracker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2368 1 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The listed 35 man squad is a mix of the youth teams. Would say about 30, still far to large for an SPL campaign. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 The listed 35 man squad is a mix of the youth teams. Would say about 30, still far to large for an SPL campaign.Who are the 5 youths who are eligible still for the 19's mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1428 16 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Unless we bring more young players into the first team and give them any kind of match experience, all they are is employed to play in training, which is a waste.We cannot justify such a large squad if the team is only ever going to change due to injury. If they are not playing because they are not good enough its time for them to leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Unless we bring more young players into the first team and give them any kind of match experience, all they are is employed to play in training, which is a waste.We cannot justify such a large squad if the team is only ever going to change due to injury. If they are not playing because they are not good enough its time for them to leave.Spot on mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 McGregorGoianAlexanderPapac -- Wants to leaveS Naismith--Out for seasonBocanegraEduDavis --Hasn't kicked a baw since new contractJelavic--Looks like he's offFleck--Hasn't fulfilled potentialLafferty--Out for 2 monthsWallaceAlukoBartley--LoanWyldeOrtiz--PishMcKay--Ally doesn't rateBedoya--PishHealy--Bit partMcMillanWeir--Never play unless forced toNess--InjuredKerkar--not convincedGallacherPerryHemmings--InjuredMcCabeCole--on loanK Naismith--On LoanB CurrieMcCulloch--Your having a laughWhittaker--Pish since new contractBroadfoot--PishK Hutton--On LoanLittle-- on lOanThats why we have no money. Thats why we need to sell before we buy. Thats why we are shopping bargain basement. 4 goalkeepers13 who can play in defence 19 who can or have played in midfield7 who can or have played up front.(Taking into account some players can or have played more than one position)We dont have a reserve league anymore, imo any player who is not eligible for the under 19 team must be classed as a first team player now.So..............who is first to leave then and who will follow?(Apologies if i have left any players out.)Doesn't leave a lot does it???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Doesn't leave a lot does it????Alot of quality, maybe not, but a right good basis of a team is there, sadly we cannot do anything about it right now. We need playerS out now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1428 16 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Spot on mate. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alot of quality, maybe not, but a right good basis of a team is there, sadly we cannot do anything about it right now. We need playerS out now. He needs to stop playing cloggers like McCulloch,Broadfoot and to a lesser extent Sasa(whom i like).McMillan is our best right back IMOWallace is our best left back IMOIn front of both should be Aluko and Wylde and we should attack teams instead of holding them.We have a pretty good youth set up and players like Ness,McMillan,Perry,Wylde and Hutton have proved better than first team regulars on numerous occasions..But we continue with boring cloggers who offer little or nothing everytime yet Ally shoe horns them in.Another example was Bendikson who was a very good attacking midfielder but would Ally drop McCulloch,Edu or a very underperforming Davis..No he continued with the same players and ta ta 14 point lead and hello 2 points behind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1428 16 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 He needs to stop playing cloggers like McCulloch,Broadfoot and to a lesser extent Sasa(whom i like).McMillan is our best right back IMOWallace is our best left back IMOIn front of both should be Aluko and Wylde and we should attack teams instead of holding them.We have a pretty good youth set up and players like Ness,McMillan,Perry,Wylde and Hutton have proved better than first team regulars on numerous occasions..But we continue with boring cloggers who offer little or nothing everytime yet Ally shoe horns them in.Another example was Bendikson who was a very good attacking midfielder but would Ally drop McCulloch,Edu or a very underperforming Davis..No he continued with the same players and ta ta 14 point lead and hello 2 points behind.Would play Sasa till the end of the season, can't imagine him staying on.And after seeing how well we play with Aluko and Wallace on the wings I would stick with it, dont think Wylde is good enough personally.We need a major clearout, and to bring in some quality, mostly in midfield and probably replacements in LB and RB, then we should be going after strikers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzGers 425 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 dare i say this, but should we look across to the scum as a way to operate in the transfer market?my thoughts are, giving the need to decrease the wage bill, that we need to look at going for "potential" in the transfer window, rather than experienced pros...Take a glance at the celtic recruitment...they have brought in the likes of Ki,emilio,kayal,hooper,matthews all on minimal transfer fees and presumably minimal wages, and if paper talk is to be believed, they are all being touted by big clubs for big money, 4mill plusmy thoughts are that ally should be looking at first discarding the dead wood, those players that are not playing regularly (or we wish werent - kerkar/ortiz/broads/jig/weir/healy/little/alexander) then compliment what still is a fair experienced squad, with some up and comers or unknown quantities...lets face it, our bread and butter is the SPL and we would still challenge without the aforementioned players in our squad, so by going out, sourcing younger alternatives on lower wages, that have potential, we keep the wages at a reasonable level, have a good mix of established and potential stars, and give ourselves an opportunity at being self sufficient and keep the club ticking over by selling on those "potentials"We only need to look at similar clubs in Holland, Belgium etc who are doing a similar sort of thing with huge success Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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