If SPL & SFL kick Gers out of football they will kill our game

[Eric_Caldow 60]

Is it out-with the bounds of possibility that the SPL chairmen backflip and vote us in?

It's getting to the stage where they are being left with no option as I don't see the Div1 route being accepted by the SFL, the D1 clubs and fans.

I can see a few of the chairmen of the SPL clubs coming out with something like "our bankers have warned us etc".

[Blue corn flakes 1,282]

It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted.

Jim said what everyone knows.

[Eric_Caldow 60]

It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted.

Jim said what everyone knows.

It should have read "jealousy and probably hatred" but he's too thick to understand the difference.

[MosesMcNeil 1,664]

Go on Jim, name the feckers,tell us who the haters really are. Who are the real shame?

He could start with Gordon Waddell. Jim Spence deserves eternal scorn for his offerings.

And the other clubs? Let them reap as they sow.

[sonofbear 398]

He could start with Gordon Waddell. Jim Spence deserves eternal scorn for his offerings.

And the other clubs? Let them reap as they sow.

Not forgetting Bill "we don't need the old Firm " Leckie.

['o'rangerblue 89]

While agreeing with most of what JT has written my first reaction to it was FUCK JIM TRAYNOR AND THE DAILY REBEL. You reap what you sow.

A couple of fairish articles after fucking months of abuse we're supposed to start pandering to these bastards well fuck them.

Division 3 and sit back and watch their house of cards fucking burn.

[ianbear007 15]

support from a most unlikely source.thank you jim

[surfsup2 1,542]

All the Tim media has kicked into us since Feb hoping we die never anywere in the world has a football team been abused and every door shut in our faces.....Now the penny has dropped and the people in power have checked out the bank accounts its lets put them in Div 1 were we can charge them money while we still kick into them...They have probably heard that at least 60perc of our support are saying Div 3 and F the lot of them..as that has probably shocked them more that we dont give a toss about the SPL....

[sj1972 4]

Their hatred and bitterness towards rangers has overtook wots best for their own clubs but now theyl be sitting thinking wev fucked up and i think there will be a lot changing their minds on this "no to newco".

[GLASGOWRFC 101]

I hope the other clubs and their fans that are baying for our blood remember CLEARLY what they wanted as per Traynor's statement;

"And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas."

They will need to live with their decisions that kill their own clubs because some will fold of that there is no doubt...so no tears boys as Jim says!

[gogzy 31,195]

Does anyone think that the SPL teams will go against thier statements and vote yes to us in the SPL?

[minstral 5,375]

Does anyone think that the SPL teams will go against thier statements and vote yes to us in the SPL?

In my opinion no as the hate us, and do not look at the bigger picture.

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

I hope the other clubs and their fans that are baying for our blood remember CLEARLY what they wanted as per Traynor's statement;

"And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own andagendas."

They will need to live with their decisions that kill their own clubs because some will fold of that there is no doubt...so no tears boys as Jim says!

This. And given that most clubs chose to consult the fans before making the decision, it is them, THE FANS, not the faceless suits, who will be directly and solely responsible for their clubs' demise. Live with that.

[AlanDeavy10 3]

The problem is. You will probably find only a Rangers fan would have read through that whole article. Every other hater probably stopped reading about 5 lines in not bearing to read the truth of the matter.

[gogzy 31,195]

In my opinion no as the hate us, and do not look at the bigger picture.

thats generally my thoughts to minstral mate.

Would be nice if it happened though, the idiot diddy clubs realise at the last moment that it is really going to hurt when they cut off thier noses to spite thier fucking stupid faces

[Non_Sucumbi 876]

In my opinion no as the hate us, and do not look at the bigger picture.

They hate us but they love money.

I suspect there will be a fudged vote with a NO / YES / YES WITH SANCTIONS vote

Clubs will use option three as a 'get out of jail' card to placate their venomous fans. They can go back and say this was not on the table when we asked your opinion BUT this is best for Scottish football and maintains integrity. After all integrity is so important to these people :

Expect the sanctions to be draconian and for CG to accept them.

[will_1974 204]

THE shape of things to come will be decided by close of play Wednesday. We should know by then if Scottish football has been big enough to edge back from the brink.

For months now there has been a savagery. The game has been ripping itself apart all in the name of fair play. Or was it sporting integrity?

Forgive me, the reasons for the crisis that threatens to destroy Scottish football have been lost somewhere in the lust to tear and shred one club. It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted.

And the handful of reasoned souls left in the game are fighting a losing battle to cap the flow.

The trouble is too many men with influence have been working not for the good of the game but to selfish agendas. They've done bad things in the name of morality.

They've abused their privileged positions and if there was any decency left in the sleazy, tacky football world they inhabit they would not be allowed inside Hampden this or any other week.

The dishonourable posing as protectors of the game's integrity by making up laws and punishments as they go along.

By arguing and pressing for more severe punishments and demanding that Rangers newco be stripped of titles and trophies won in the EBT years by another business entirely, they are inflaming and prolonging an agonisingly painful and damaging period. Anyone who believes that stripping the old Rangers of baubles will help solve this meltdown should be ignored, pushed aside because we are way beyond bragging rights.

We, Scottish football, are on the brink of total collapse.

Those who are consumed by petty matters and the settling of old, ancient scores have made it harder to find the solution, the compromise agreement that's badly needed.

One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space.

And hopefully the right and sensible decisions will be made when the SFL and SPL meet tomorrow and Wednesday respectively. Everything, the game's fate and Rangers' chances of survival never mind revival, depends on these leagues of gentlemen, if of course they do meet tomorrow.

The situation is critical yet it seems we have two clubs threatening to block tomorrow's meeting. Stenhousemuir and Alloa have an objection. God help us.

Hopefully the meetings will go ahead and if honesty and common sense prevail we might just begin to emerge from the darkness and see clearly who is working for the game and who is working for themselves.

We might also notice that in our rabid rush to condemn and stone Rangers we have stumbled to the very precipice of catastrophe.

Another misguided step or irrational utterance and Scottish football will be in total free fall so tomorrow the SFL must do one of two things.

Either they decide to let Rangers newco - who already know they don't have the support of enough SPL clubs to get the share that would let them begin again at the top - kick off in the First Division or the way is cleared for them to start in the bottom tier.

But research has shown the game will lose £16million if Rangers are dumped in the Third Division and frankly that would be too great a loss to an already impoverished business.

Supporters, of course, are entitled to be heard but the question is this: Are fans - forget the ones who can't see beyond their own hatred - willing to see what they believe to be justice done no matter the cost or consequences?

What if their justice means Scottish football would be reduced to a truly moribund state that would make recovery impossible?

What if their idea of fair play meant our game would be forever locked out of the big boys' playground?

Morals and integrity are fine but we must all be sure we can cope with the fall out, which would be considerable.

Clubs will cut right back on numbers as we're already seeing with Hibernian who have just paid off Pat Fenlon's deputy Billy Brown.

Players and wages will be next, although the first real casualty is more likely to be youth development.

Mark my words, clubs are already being squeezed by their banks who have seen Lloyds get out with all of their money back from Rangers. The other lenders also want shot of their football clients and they'll be imposing tougher repayment plans on clubs, who will use these demands as excuses to make swingeing cuts on their budgets.

If they are asked to reduce spending by £300,000 a year they'll make it £600,000 and blame it all on Rangers.

But even by making savage cuts, a number of clubs will still go bust. This will be the true price of sporting integrity.

And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas.

Yet what good has that done any of them, apart from allowing them to invade the moral high ground for a short while. Now, though, as they hobble down having broken their toes through kicking Rangers they are suddenly confronted with reality.

They have the power to deny this new club any chance of life but they'll be condemning themselves to a miserable, empty future. Without the millions a healthy Rangers and their fans help generate, Scottish football will decline rapidly. All credibility at home and abroad will be lost.

If this is what we wish then fine, deny Rangers an SPL share on Wednesday and SFA membership when the Appellate Tribunal sits again to decide a punishment acceptable in the eyes of the real law. If this is what upholding fair play means then let's go for it.

Let's take decisions tomorrow and the next day that will chime with whatever our notions of integrity are and kill the game.

After all, we can't put a price on justice, especially in football where justice is something to be kicked around without finesse or direction.

Of course justice should be about fairness and handing down punishments that reflect the nature of crimes committed. It should always be about observing the law according to the rules and principles written down. But that's the problem with applying justice in a morally bankrupt game.

Nothing seems to be written down. If it is there in black and white no one can understand it.

The SFL have called in lawyers to make sense of their own articles ahead of tomorrow's meetings and, of course, the SFA spent a couple of years revamping their own codes, leaning heavily on the finest legal minds. Yet, when a transfer ban on Rangers was imposed it was kicked out in Edinburgh's Court of Session.

It's a grotesque farce and one club chairman had to remove himself from the entire business yesterday. He had to plod along a west-coast beach in the wind and rain to try and clear his head.

The game is pulling itself apart because some want to settle old scores with Rangers while others strive only to make the most of the problems and strengthen their own positions.

Okay, but what's the point in being powerful within a game that will soon have no real significance beyond its own boundaries?

But here are a few questions those 'just' men should ask themselves as they file into their meeting rooms on Hampden's sixth floor over the next couple of days:

Is losing all credibility, standing in the game, SFA licence, SPL share and being treated with the utmost contempt not punishment enough?

No?

Then ask yourselves this:

Is going out of business, struggling to emerge as a newco without fan support and being banned from playing in Europe for three years and being branded pariahs not punishment enough?

If the answer is still no then there is no justice.

And there is no hope. The game, and not just Rangers, will be doomed.

[royalbluebell 38]

If only Jim had realised all this months ago he could have saved us from the daily beatings and torture we have had to endure.

The bit about the "new club" must have been a typo. Jim wouldn't want to mislead anyone or pander to our enemies, would he? Not now that he's seen the light.

[DietofWorms 2,067]

[54andcounting 627]

Ffs, I am on the same side as "Jim Traynor" what will be next?

[bill moles 0]

Why wasn`t this being said months ago.Obviously it didn`t suit their agenda at the time,now they realise they went to far in print with their anti Rangers agenda,they are having to back track big time to protect their own jobs. Well traynor et al you chunts will reap what you sowed. You contributed to the feeding frenzy and will not be forgotten when we are on the way back. Keep your powder dry Bears the battle fever is on.

Some months ago HE was the one saying we needed to go to the 3rd Division - when no-one else was.

[Shuggy 1,308]

"One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space."

Traynor know something? Liewell-Regan emails?

[GLASGOWRFC 101]

"One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space."

Traynor know something? Liewell-Regan emails?

Traynor does know.

[Eric_Caldow 60]

Ffs, I am on the same side as "Jim Traynor" what will be next?

Living in a caravan with some munter called Bridie.

[GMac 1,405]

Ffs, I am on the same side as "Jim Traynor" what will be next?

Your ticket for an audience with the Pope is in the post.

I think the potential drop in newspaper sales has something to do with it. Who will go bust first, Kilmarnock or the Daily Record?