Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Anyone tuning into the Japanese qualifying? Hopefully not a Red Bull lockout on the front row for tomorrows race. (although I'm drinking a can right now for these early starts!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 and it's a Red Bull lock out.Getting bored with F1. There are 3-4 top drivers, and another 4-5 very good drivers in that field, but the Red Bull is just so dominant only one ever wins.For Vettel, it's crazy to think somebody who has won what he has won these last 4yrs, might not even be the best driver on the grid. Then again if say Damon Hill, a very good but never elite driver, had the #1 seat at Williams for a few more seasons he probably would of been a 2-3-4 time world champion. Is Vettel that good, or is he merely an very good driver who has found himself in the right team at the right time? Maybe even a bit of both?Problem with Vettel, is despite what he's won, he almost never seems able to wrestle the best out of a car that isn't the best on the grid. For somebody that has won so much, he has very few memorable/amazing drives to his credit.Virtually all his wins follow the same formula. Start from the front row > push in clean air to get 4-5 seconds ahead > maintain the gap in clean air.I totally agree, I don't think Vettel is the best driver and as you say he hasn't had many memorable drives. Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton can probs get the absolute maximum out of a car. I was happy for Webber getting pole for tomorrow though I guess. He's a top character and will be missed from F1. Di Resta put in a good lap as well. Hopefully he can actually finish the race for a change! Predictions for tomorrow....1) Vettel2) Hamilton3) Webber Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata 161 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 So when vettel started from the pits, behind even last place and still managed to podium. That was all blind luck right?If vettel was so poor then he wouldn't consistently outpace and outqualify his team mate.Lets face it, in F1 there isn't much difference between the top 4 drivers but to claim vettels achivements are forgettable when people laud schumacher for winning in an era when the ferraris were consistently 1,2ing miles ahead of everyone else is just retarded Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 No doubt Vettel is a good driver but that Red Bull is surely the main reason why. Put him in a Mercedes or a Ferrari and would he still win the championship?.....Its a valid point that Webber fails to make an impact in the same car but nobody really puts him up there with the top drivers. He and Di Resta were teammates in Formula 3 and Vettel lost out to him. Okay, its Formula 3, but still.ps, It always seems to be Mark's car that has the reliability issues. Just throwing that out there.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata 161 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Also the red bull hasn't been that much better than the other cars all of the time. I mean last year the mclaren was arguably the best car in the grid, but Red Bull managed to actually not fuck up every week like Mclaren were.I think people are overreacting because they don't want to see the same driver dominating over and over but it was like that when ferrari dominating and the same with mclaren when mika hakkinen was winning DC's. I'm sorry but this is what formula one is, between the top teams and the top drivers there is very little give, normally it's whoever has one small edge over the other. It's to Vettel's and Red Bull's credit that he has managed to keep up this level of consistancy. Even in his first Drivers championship win it was very very close throughout the year.Infact if there was ever a case of a mediocre driver winning because of a superior car then it was JB with his BGP 001 car which arguably he should have won even more races with Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 Even I could have won the championship in that Brawn GP, lol. Vettel is certainly consistent but as Badger say's he usually gets that clean getaway at the start thanks to the car and that helps a lot.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata 161 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 So if hamilton was also winning multiple DC's in that car would be also be saying he wasn't the best driver on the grid?All we have to go on is speculation here and it seems some people have sour grapes because the drivers championship isn't competitive. Well I can't think of many years recently where it was down too the last race.Infact the last one that was exciting and up for grabs was the first one vettel won, a drivers championship where he really did outdrive everyone else, including his team mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 IMO Alonso is the best driver on the grid and gets the best out of a shit car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBF2 3,540 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Alonso, Hamilton and Raikonnen are better drivers than Seb.You win because you do things right though, not because of luck. He might not be the most spectacular, he might not start from back of the grid and have to work his way on to pole every race: but it's to his credit that he doesn't have to.His overwhelming consistency is his main strength and that can't be something he's faulted over. There'll be mistakes along the way by Lewis, Fernando and Kimi that Seb just won't make or allow his team to make. He's incredible at what he does: and that is win races. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstone 374 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I follow it to see who wins but the races themselves really don't keep me entertained Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Finally a real test for Seb! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Fuckig borefest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkie 43 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 What annoys me in f1 is these stern, growly folk who hold the little recorders during interviews. Usually dour middle aged women,( other than buttons stern, growly man). Agree that Alonso is the best on the grid, Ferrari just don't seem able to put a quick car under him. Would like to see di resta get a good drive next year but the last 4/5 races have been too inconsistent and rough. Quick word for sky's coverage as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 Wasn't the most exciting race in the world....I suppose it was never going to be an epic when the driver you support has his race ended before the first corner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkie 43 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Just watching Senna, and to think that statistically vettel is a better driver than this genius, is wrong, vettel will pass the likes of Jim Clark ( who I'm named after) Prost, Moss, Stewart, Hunt, Fangio etc for statistics/wins/laps lead etc. Technically he (vettel)is a very good driver lap by lap, more robotic than instinctual, not a racer as such, but a hugely likable chap. Senna, the movie, is amazing. Emphasises how sanitised f1 is these days. Safer but more restricted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Senna is truly awesome as a film. Senna the man was extraordinary, his drive whilst only having one gear was phenominal. Modern f1 is too sanitised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 Talk of Paul Di Resta not having a drive next season. He'd be a huge loss to Formula 1 although I expect he'd eventually get another drive. His problem is sponsorship.Bugs me that the best drivers can lose their seat because of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,947 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Just watching Senna, and to think that statistically vettel is a better driver than this genius, is wrong, vettel will pass the likes of Jim Clark ( who I'm named after) Prost, Moss, Stewart, Hunt, Fangio etc for statistics/wins/laps lead etc. Technically he (vettel)is a very good driver lap by lap, more robotic than instinctual, not a racer as such, but a hugely likable chap.Senna, the movie, is amazing. Emphasises how sanitised f1 is these days. Safer but more restricted.Not really. Senna had a genuinely competitive car for, what, four of his ten years in Formula One? And he still had more wins and more poles, and all while up against far, far greater rivals. Vettel has more championships. That's it. And that's only because Senna was cheated out of one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Webber has had no luck at all recently.Another boring race eh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fog 289 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It's nice to see Grosjean appears to finally knuckling down and putting in some decent races now. Yeah he still has the odd flash of stupid moments but he's calmed down a lot recently and hopefully can push on for next season. Lotus will more than likely support Romain as the number one driver as he's certainly liked by the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Massa to replace Maldonado at Williams next season.Great move from Williams as Maldonado does not deserve to be in Formula 1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeDontDoWalkingAway1872 303 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Massa to replace Maldonado at Williams next season.Great move from Williams as Maldonado does not deserve to be in Formula 1.It's all about sponsorship. Maldonado attracts some of the highest.Edit: Infact just looked and he attracts the highest sponsorship Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yeah, thats something thats always annoyed me about Maldonado. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Looks like McLaren will be replacing Sergio Perez with Kevin Magnussen aswell..I reckon Massa could thrive at Williams given a good motor next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 McLaren should be trying to sign Paul Di Resta. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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