North Rd 2,860 Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 So king the altruistic hard headed business chap is going to finance the start off of this pipe dream, like let peeps who can't agree what day it is play monoply with south african rands....aye ok then... But you would have let Green/Mather\Stockbridge play monopoly with his S.A Rand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumshie 205 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 OK, so we've established that there are (some) clubs out there that have fan ownership and are successful. What model do they use for success? Are the successful ones doing something that the rest aren't? How is a fan owned Rangers going to generate vast sums of money apart from through membership fees? Will a fan owned Rangers be able to compete with a Dermot Desmond (or equivalent) backed Celtic?It's a question that none of us can answer at the moment mate. Hopefully we can find out more about it in the coming months. We certainly have a big enough fanbase to create a sizeable amount of cash but we need to see more flesh on the bones of the proposals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allanger 625 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 If after the meeting fans are convinced this is the way to go, who do we buy the shares from? Are there many shares floating around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
there'sonlyoneamoruso 1,724 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 It's a question that none of us can answer at the moment mate. Hopefully we can find out more about it in the coming months. We certainly have a big enough fanbase to create a sizeable amount of cash but we need to see more flesh on the bones of the proposals.Oh, I know the answers aren't there yet, and you're right with a fanbase our size we should (in theory) be able to do it. But is there the will to do it? If we do it, will there be any real benefit?When I think of fan ownership in UK football I do not associate that with success. Perhaps we can change that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 it will be fan ownershipI reckon we'll need King to get us on our way thereWell King and fan ownership is a contradiction, there is no way King wants the fans in charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 it will be fan ownershipI reckon we'll need King to get us on our way thereKing has said he is against fan ownership. Doesn't believe it can work Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 OK, so we've established that there are (some) clubs out there that have fan ownership and are successful. What model do they use for success? Are the successful ones doing something that the rest aren't? How is a fan owned Rangers going to generate vast sums of money apart from through membership fees? Will a fan owned Rangers be able to compete with a Dermot Desmond (or equivalent) backed Celtic?I think it needs to be a hybrid model and attractive to all sides, that why I have suggested this..http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=264855I will hopefully get a chance to bring this up at fridays meeting . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldierBlue1 499 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Where were the two of them when we were on our knees.My sentiments exactly. WATP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
there'sonlyoneamoruso 1,724 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I think it needs to be a hybrid model and attractive to all sides, that why I have suggested this..http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=264855I will hopefully get a chance to bring this up at fridays meeting .Is that the right link? It took me to the SFA building bridges thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 King has said he is against fan ownership. Doesn't believe it can workonce we're organised it doesn't matter what any cunt on the board wants.We hold the whip hand Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang2911 423 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is that the right link? It took me to the SFA building bridges thread.NOPE http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=264567 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 King said: "The club was on the market last season under circumstances unrealistic in terms of expectation."The bank thought they were going to get this and that and then you had the fan plan."The fan plan was always rubbish, rubbish. We knew it was never going to happen but the bank liked it and certain people within the Murray Group were putting it forward."Fine, if the bank believed it was a panacea but I always suspected it would turn out to be nothing."Let's say the fans came in and owned the club and in a year's time we needed another £5million. What happens then? Do you put up prices? Ownership of the club is not a great thing for fans."We had vociferous fans making their point, which is their absolute right, but they represent only about seven per cent of the support." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,823 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Fucks sake ! King get yer dosh in and stop awe this supposition, we need a sugar daddy and we need him now ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKIP BEAR 370 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I value the opinion of the Rangers fan who goes to the game much more than any ex player who has never paid to see Rangers in their life.Some of these people have made millions out of Rangers,where were they when we needed them?So Richard Gough can do with his opinion what Donald Duck does with his bill.Stick it up his arse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza27 15,441 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 My understanding is that when the committee is set up that it will be all professional people involved and that they will be identified at a later date and will be independent of the people involved with setting up the scheme. If my information is correct then I feel you can't really argue with that.Are you the guy that takes the microphone in the louden before games and try's to crack jokes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 My understanding is that when the committee is set up that it will be all professional people involved and that they will be identified at a later date and will be independent of the people involved with setting up the scheme. If my information is correct then I feel you can't really argue with that.Why not at the point of appointment/selection so any challenges could be made ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujolais 1,371 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am not sure how fan ownership sits with our current situation. We are owned by shareholders, many of whom are fans. They have elected a board.For there to be any serious mileage in this the proposed fan ownership group would have to have the ability to buy out the existing shareholders. That requires; firstly, all funding to be in place so a serious offer of purchase can be made and secondly for the existing shareholders to be willing to sell.I cannot see it myself. Achieving the first requirement would be miraculous. Just setting up the right governance mechanism would require huge amounts of work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujolais 1,371 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am not sure how fan ownership sits with our current situation. We are owned by shareholders, many of whom are fans. They have elected a board.For there to be any serious mileage in this the proposed fan ownership group would have to have the ability to buy out the existing shareholders. That requires; firstly, all funding to be in place so a serious offer of purchase can be made and secondly for the existing shareholders to be willing to sell.I cannot see it myself. Achieving the first requirement would be miraculous. Just setting up the right governance mechanism would require huge amounts of work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Louden Tavern 1,765 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Why not at the point of appointment/selection so any challenges could be made ?Why not at the point of appointment/selection so any challenges could be made ?Sorry by identified I mean chosen. I would hope that any committee member to be elected.As I said it is important to get the committee right, with professional people and not 'jobs for the boys'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallnotbemoved! 714 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Where were the two of them when we were on our knees.Getting corporate days out and free scran Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 So what position will Dingwall hold in all this. let me guess , if he`s elected he`ll get to sit on the board of this ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am not sure how fan ownership sits with our current situation. We are owned by shareholders, many of whom are fans. They have elected a board.For there to be any serious mileage in this the proposed fan ownership group would have to have the ability to buy out the existing shareholders. That requires; firstly, all funding to be in place so a serious offer of purchase can be made and secondly for the existing shareholders to be willing to sell.I cannot see it myself. Achieving the first requirement would be miraculous. Just setting up the right governance mechanism would require huge amounts of work.fans had no chance against hedge funds and the like who own most of the sharesthere votes counted for nothingfans didn't elect this board Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujolais 1,371 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 fans had no chance against hedge funds and the like who own most of the sharesthere votes counted for nothingfans didn't elect this boardI do not disagree at all. But that is the situation. The only real chance we ever had was just prior to Green's move. If ever there had been a time for a bunch of ex players to show leadership it was then.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Louden Tavern 1,765 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 So what position will Dingwall hold in all this. let me guess , if he`s elected he`ll get to sit on the board of this ? In my opinion two chances Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 In my opinion two chancesWhat are those chances ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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