Ross Wilson Joins Nottingham Forest - Confirmed

[johanhentze 14,712]

15 minutes ago, Smile said:

Yes, everyone realises that.

Yet people want to ditch the position? You included?

[esquire8 45,189]

20 minutes ago, johanhentze said:

The bigger a Club grows the more the need for someone to connect all the parts of it. That is basically what a DOF does.. or whatever you call him. There are however as many variations on the job as there are clubs that have it. It relieves the Manager from a helluva lot of work so he can work with the team.

However did big football clubs survive 10/20 years ago without one?! 

[Johnstone Burgh 1,686]

29 minutes ago, Smile said:

A stupid idea let the manger decide he then falls on his sword if the signings are shite there's no extra man to take the blame.

There's always going to be scouts anyway.

Virtually every single major club operates using this model now. We’ve had a Director of Football on and off for about 20 years now. Dick Advocaat was basically a DoF once McLeish came in, Gordon Smith was DoF. This might give you a bit more clarity on why.

The transfer window of players has closed, but a feature of this football season has been how the permanently open market across other levels of a club continues to gather momentum.

Arsene Wenger very memorably reacted last year to a query about directors of football by asking whether it was someone who “stands in the road and directs play right and left” but even he could not defy the tide. Job titles can sometimes only confuse. Whether it be director of football, sporting director, technical director or even Raul Sanllehi’s initial and rather awkward ‘head of football relations’ title alongside Wenger at Arsenal, the basic job and rationale is the same.

It is to provide one overarching vision and strategy across football departments that is sufficiently coherent and resilient to ensure continuity amid the inevitability of managerial or even ownership change.

Lee Dykes, who became Bury’s first sporting director last year, believes that every club in the English Football League pyramid will have a comparable position within the next five years. It is already the norm throughout football in Europe, north America and just about every other major sport.

“We have to be self-sustainable as a football operation,” explains Dykes. “Gone are the days where you just have the first team and a youth team. What you have now is the coaching, the medical, the sports science, the analytics, the recruitment, the women’s team, the youth team operation. You are managing seven or eight individual businesses.

“We cannot be self sustainable if, every time there is a change of manager, all of the plans go out of the window, a big chunk of staff leaves and half the playing squad is considered a cost because the new manager wants to bring his own players in. It would just plough the football club into debt.

“Ryan Lowe (Bury’s manager) is doing very well, but just say he gets a move to a higher level of football. We hope he is with us for a very long-time, but we need to be in a position where we are recruiting maybe one or two members of staff to go again and everything else stays the same.” Dykes says that his job, in consultation with the various other departments, is to provide pioneering best practice across every specialist area for the very purpose of giving the manager the best possible opportunity.

The increasing recruitment of sporting directors following rigorous and independent processes is perhaps the best indicator of how this area has been professionalised.

Brighton, for example, added Dan Ashworth this season from the Football Association to what was already a very well functioning team with a respected chief executive in Paul Barber, head of recruitment in Paul Winstanley and first team manager in Chris Hughton.

The FA were in turn keen to continue with a model that has helped inspire a shared identity across the various age group teams. They appointed Les Reed, whose work at Southampton has itself greatly helped to popularise the structure. The successes both of Liverpool and Manchester City have also been in large measure down to a consistent and comparable off-field strategy, respectively led by Michael Edwards and Txiki Begiristain. The role has become a specialism in its own right and one that is regularly transferred across other sports.

Dykes, for example, is currently studying for a Masters degree in sporting directorships at the University of Salford and has no interest in being a manager himself.

Where problems have often occurred previously in football is where an owner, chairman or manager simply recruited a director of football figure through having some sort of past friendship. Even worse was when it was someone who might then be a contender for the manager’s job.

Arsenal’s internal frictions, where recruitment chief Sven Mislintat and Sanllehi were appointed independently by former chief executive Ivan Gazidis who, himself then left, also underlines the importance of clarity. Mislintat departed shortly after it became apparent that Sanllehi was very clearly now responsible for the club’s overall sporting strategy as director of football.

Stewart King is the global head of performance at Nolan Partners (a sports recruitment specialist with offices in London, New York and Los Angeles) and is experienced in working with ownership groups and boards of Premier League clubs to appoint sporting directors.

“The sporting director model is very well established across other sports, especially in North American professional sport, who tend to call them General Managers," says King. "It is certainly something that has been growing greatly and becoming standard in the Premier League.

"It is about having someone who will provide that overarching strategic thinking and planning. It is a position that should insulate and support the head coach. The job is just too big in the modern game for managers to oversee all the areas that they once did.”

A new type of club owner appears also to be emerging, especially given the increasing American influence on English football. For them, a longer-term strategy built on the sustained success and growth of their investment is key. That requires a stability in planning but also an off-field figurehead who, in the words of King, “are as fluent, comfortable and credible in the boardroom as they are on the training ground”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/01/clubs-have-director-football-now-actually/

 

[Roy Hobbs 2,928]

1 minute ago, esquire8 said:

However did big football clubs survive 10/20 years ago without one?! 

The same way they survived without sports science, data analytics teams and lots of other facets of the modern game. Just because we did, doesn't mean they don't add value.

Beale should be calling the shots in terms of the playing squad, but the worry is his focus is diluted being involved in areas he shouldn't be.

Wilson leaving is a positive, as long as we have others who can take responsibility, particularly dealing with transfer negotiations, given how close we are to the summer.

[johanhentze 14,712]

10 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

However did big football clubs survive 10/20 years ago without one?! 

Id say football has changed a bit in 20 years, dont you?

[Smile 26,624]

8 minutes ago, Johnstone Burgh said:

Virtually every single major club operates using this model now. We’ve had a Director of Football on and off for about 20 years now. Dick Advocaat was basically a DoF once McLeish came in, Gordon Smith was DoF. This might give you a bit more clarity on why.

The transfer window of players has closed, but a feature of this football season has been how the permanently open market across other levels of a club continues to gather momentum.

Arsene Wenger very memorably reacted last year to a query about directors of football by asking whether it was someone who “stands in the road and directs play right and left” but even he could not defy the tide. Job titles can sometimes only confuse. Whether it be director of football, sporting director, technical director or even Raul Sanllehi’s initial and rather awkward ‘head of football relations’ title alongside Wenger at Arsenal, the basic job and rationale is the same.

It is to provide one overarching vision and strategy across football departments that is sufficiently coherent and resilient to ensure continuity amid the inevitability of managerial or even ownership change.

Lee Dykes, who became Bury’s first sporting director last year, believes that every club in the English Football League pyramid will have a comparable position within the next five years. It is already the norm throughout football in Europe, north America and just about every other major sport.

“We have to be self-sustainable as a football operation,” explains Dykes. “Gone are the days where you just have the first team and a youth team. What you have now is the coaching, the medical, the sports science, the analytics, the recruitment, the women’s team, the youth team operation. You are managing seven or eight individual businesses.

“We cannot be self sustainable if, every time there is a change of manager, all of the plans go out of the window, a big chunk of staff leaves and half the playing squad is considered a cost because the new manager wants to bring his own players in. It would just plough the football club into debt.

“Ryan Lowe (Bury’s manager) is doing very well, but just say he gets a move to a higher level of football. We hope he is with us for a very long-time, but we need to be in a position where we are recruiting maybe one or two members of staff to go again and everything else stays the same.” Dykes says that his job, in consultation with the various other departments, is to provide pioneering best practice across every specialist area for the very purpose of giving the manager the best possible opportunity.

The increasing recruitment of sporting directors following rigorous and independent processes is perhaps the best indicator of how this area has been professionalised.

Brighton, for example, added Dan Ashworth this season from the Football Association to what was already a very well functioning team with a respected chief executive in Paul Barber, head of recruitment in Paul Winstanley and first team manager in Chris Hughton.

The FA were in turn keen to continue with a model that has helped inspire a shared identity across the various age group teams. They appointed Les Reed, whose work at Southampton has itself greatly helped to popularise the structure. The successes both of Liverpool and Manchester City have also been in large measure down to a consistent and comparable off-field strategy, respectively led by Michael Edwards and Txiki Begiristain. The role has become a specialism in its own right and one that is regularly transferred across other sports.

Dykes, for example, is currently studying for a Masters degree in sporting directorships at the University of Salford and has no interest in being a manager himself.

Where problems have often occurred previously in football is where an owner, chairman or manager simply recruited a director of football figure through having some sort of past friendship. Even worse was when it was someone who might then be a contender for the manager’s job.

Arsenal’s internal frictions, where recruitment chief Sven Mislintat and Sanllehi were appointed independently by former chief executive Ivan Gazidis who, himself then left, also underlines the importance of clarity. Mislintat departed shortly after it became apparent that Sanllehi was very clearly now responsible for the club’s overall sporting strategy as director of football.

Stewart King is the global head of performance at Nolan Partners (a sports recruitment specialist with offices in London, New York and Los Angeles) and is experienced in working with ownership groups and boards of Premier League clubs to appoint sporting directors.

“The sporting director model is very well established across other sports, especially in North American professional sport, who tend to call them General Managers," says King. "It is certainly something that has been growing greatly and becoming standard in the Premier League.

"It is about having someone who will provide that overarching strategic thinking and planning. It is a position that should insulate and support the head coach. The job is just too big in the modern game for managers to oversee all the areas that they once did.”

A new type of club owner appears also to be emerging, especially given the increasing American influence on English football. For them, a longer-term strategy built on the sustained success and growth of their investment is key. That requires a stability in planning but also an off-field figurehead who, in the words of King, “are as fluent, comfortable and credible in the boardroom as they are on the training ground”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/01/clubs-have-director-football-now-actually/

 

A long post but who cares what everyone else has in various other clubs as I said they do not have it and are winning trophy after trophy.

A manager will  know who he wants or what he wants through his scouting team. Football a simple game.

 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,530]

45 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

ie Get the role tae fuck.

How have you got that from what he said?

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,530]

Nerlinger been offered the job and turned it down.

[esquire8 45,189]

5 minutes ago, The Specky Non Liar - Sometimes said:

Nerlinger been offered the job and turned it down.

Source.....

 

[rangersross 6,704]

Bit shit of him to immediately reveal it to the press. What's the point, other than some insignificant PR for his agency? 

[esquire8 45,189]

1 minute ago, rangersross said:

Bit shit of him to immediately reveal it to the press. What's the point, other than some insignificant PR for his agency? 

Someone asked him the question and he answered. More disappointing we are insisting on replacing Wilson like for like.

If that's the case then my choice would be Mitchell.

[Davy Vandenbroucke 26,970]

7 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Source.....

 

They’ve taken it from Transfermarkt.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nerlinger-turns-down-rangers-offer-ibrox-club-continue-search-for-new-sporting-director/view/news/420447

[esquire8 45,189]

Just now, Bronzy said:

They’ve taken it from Transfermarkt.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nerlinger-turns-down-rangers-offer-ibrox-club-continue-search-for-new-sporting-director/view/news/420447

Potato potato.

[rangersross 6,704]

Just now, esquire8 said:

Someone asked him the question and he answered. More disappointing we are insisting on replacing Wilson like for like.

If that's the case then my choice would be Mitchell.

I'm not sure "someone asked him the question and he answered" cuts it. There's such a thing as discretion. 

[esquire8 45,189]

1 minute ago, rangersross said:

I'm not sure "someone asked him the question and he answered" cuts it. There's such a thing as discretion. 

Oh better be discreet that I got a phone call from the specky twat......

He can say what he wants. Respect him more than anyone in our executive board.

[Davy Vandenbroucke 26,970]

3 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Potato potato.

They’re a German website, so I’d assume they’re more reliable than the usual Scottish tabloid guff.

[rangersross 6,704]

1 minute ago, esquire8 said:

Oh better be discreet that I got a phone call from the specky twat......

He can say what he wants. Respect him more than anyone in our executive board.

Not sure the personnel are particularly relevant in this case. He should have enough respect for the club not to immediately disclose to the press he turned us down. Talking to a journalist doesn't do him any favours, really, but it's negative for us to have people publicly knocking us back. 

[esquire8 45,189]

Just now, Bronzy said:

They’re a German website, so I’d assume they’re more reliable than the usual Scottish tabloid guff.

I know they got it from there. Same quotes etc. 

[esquire8 45,189]

Just now, rangersross said:

Not sure the personnel are particularly relevant in this case. He should have enough respect for the club not to immediately disclose to the press he turned us down. Talking to a journalist doesn't do him any favours, really, but it's negative for us to have people publicly knocking us back. 

Dont really care about that.

[rangersross 6,704]

1 minute ago, esquire8 said:

Dont really care about that.

Don't really care you don't care. 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,530]

1 minute ago, esquire8 said:

Dont really care about that.

Interesting.

[Davy Vandenbroucke 26,970]

3 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

I know they got it from there. Same quotes etc. 

No idea why we went for him apart from the fact he’s a former player, he hasn’t been a DoF since 2012 and even when he was at Bayern they only won one title in his time there (his first season).

[esquire8 45,189]

2 minutes ago, Bronzy said:

No idea why we went for him apart from the fact he’s a former player, he hasn’t been a DoF since 2012 and even when he was at Bayern they only won one title in his time there (his first season).

Hasn't he got one of the biggest player agencies in Europe?

It does appear Robertson is getting his lists from fan forums again....

[esquire8 45,189]

5 minutes ago, rangersross said:

Don't really care you don't care. 

Good.

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,382]

 

13 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Someone asked him the question and he answered. More disappointing we are insisting on replacing Wilson like for like.

If that's the case then my choice would be Mitchell.

Paul Mitchell? He’s one of the most in demand DOF’s in world football. There’s zero chance we could get him now.