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[BigManBlue 0]

The main men at the forefront are still there so I dont see what all the commotion is

It did put a spanner in the works for me joining when I learned of the resignations

The chairman and the vice-chairman have left my friend. They were the main men I can assure you.

I have obviously been given the wrong info

[agr9 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

[BigManBlue 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

Ive never known a forum to ban so many Rangers genuine fans but they keep returning to it

I pay for the internet and I expect an explanation from them or I will take legal action

[Frankie 505]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

Frankie

Follow Follow is the ONLY reason the RST has so many members and you know that's a fact.

FF is the driving force behind the RST.

Simply put - if FF were to go down the swanny tomorrow, the RST would follow suit.

And you are not being honest here either. You are hiding behind one mumbled response after another with nothing but silly excuses.

You are your own man, a man who has the right to speak out when he so desires. A man who has the right to tell others why he resigned from the RST... yet you constantly sidestep the issue.

Poor show which everyone is noticing.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

Sorry... but it CAN control it. If I am correct, Dingwall is on the board of the RST... Dingwall is the owner of the FF website and Fanzine. Dingwall is responsible for the ludicrous bannings and embargo on free speech.

SAys it all.

[BigManBlue 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

Frankie

Follow Follow is the ONLY reason the RST has so many members and you know that's a fact.

FF is the driving force behind the RST.

Simply put - if FF were to go down the swanny tomorrow, the RST would follow suit.

And you are not being honest here either. You are hiding behind one mumbled response after another with nothing but silly excuses.

You are your own man, a man who has the right to speak out when he so desires. A man who has the right to tell others why he resigned from the RST... yet you constantly sidestep the issue.

Poor show which everyone is noticing.

If the reasons are not released I will not be joining something I cant trust

Oh that word trust its actually in their title

[BigManBlue 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

Sorry... but it CAN control it. If I am correct, Dingwall is on the board of the RST... Dingwall is the owner of the FF website and Fanzine. Dingwall is responsible for the ludicrous bannings and embargo on free speech.

SAys it all.

Knocked the nail on the head there my friend, doesnt bother replying to me my mates or my mates mates

I get the impression he thinks he is above everybody nowadays

[bigmarvloyal 0]

Guys

The alarm bells have been ringing for months/years but the herd mentality amongst the forumites here and on followfollow have seen the RST getting massive exposure and painted in a light that is far from real.

The total ban on anything RST related on followfollow should tell you right away not to trust an organisation so fascist in it's operation.

The RST claims to be a voice for the Rangers fan. It's hardly surprising that the voice has been lost.

I rejoined a few months back after seeing some improvement. Knew at the time I was taking a chance but questioned my thinking with so much positive publicity.

Here's the stone cold facts, my friends. Some of which you will NOT like:

1. The RST is a sham - from top to bottom.

2. The RST is run by fascists who care only for the lining of their own pockets and other material gains.

3. The RST have a propaganda machine - mainly the Follow Follow website and this one too now to some extent - that would make Tony Blair jealous.

4. The RST will be down the swanny inside 12 months with the uprise in people questioning not only it's validity but it's ethics.

And when ethics are called in question it's very rare for an organization to bounce back.

You want and vote for a democracy? Well here's my view:

Don't join the RST. Don't fall for the propaganda you see on here and on Follow Follow. Don't allow fascists to disallow you an opinion or to air your concerns.

If you genuinely want to help The Rangers Football Club go and join your local supporters club and put it to them. At least then you know you are dealing with real Rangers fans and not professional conmen.

Apologies for the delay in responding to this post - I was at a close friend's wedding on Saturday and it was my wife's birthday yesterday so had no time online to answer.

Firstly, despite my resignation, let me answer your points:

1. The RST is not a sham and never has been. The organisation is run by volunteers who simply do so for the benefit of it's members under the auspices of the government ST initiatives. To that end, in it's short 5 year existence it's done pretty well in that regard.

It has achieved very little verging on nothing. So it hasn't done very well. WE hear all about these "volunteers" but deep down we all know they are not volunteers. They are in the positions to gain material wealth and abundance at the expense of the members.

2. Not sure where you get the fascists tag so I'll let you explain that before I answer. However, your second point is utter nonsense. No-one lines their own pockets and no-one makes other material gains via the RST. I think you should justify such daft comments before making them. Personally, I spent a lot of money acting as a board member of the RST for 3 years - no-one even takes expenses (which we could) and our accounts are independently audited every year so any financial discrepancies would soon come to light.

I think the fascist tag has been well proven in this thread already Frankie.

3. Again, I think this point is rather daft. There is no propaganda machine - just healthy and lively debate on here and elsewhere about what the RST can and cannot offer. I have spent a lot of time on many RFC forums answering every question or concern people have - not just members but non-members too. I think you are very harsh on your fellow fans ability to make their own decisions based on what they read and hear about certain issues.

There is a propaganda machine of which you used to be the driving force and still are to some extent. Pushing on people to join for years then suddenly quitting the board... and FF not allowing any discussion on the matter is fascist propaganda.

4. Again, no sure how you make this judgement but I don't think it's accurate.

We'll have to wait and see.

Overall, I think you've made some very unfair and unfounded allegations about a group of people who act honestly, openly and without gain for their members. Sure, the RST has made a fair amount of mistakes in it's time and sure it's far from perfect but to suggest it was or is run by fascist conmen is wholly inaccurate.

I, along with several others, have spent a large part of my life working for the RST for something I believe in. For you, or anyone else, to generalise what I, and others, have done without genuine evidence for the very strong accusations you make is actually quite upsetting.

I don't deny the RST has it's problems (which is why I resigned) but neither should the work it has done (and will hopefully continue to do in the future) be decried unfairly.

[Frankie 505]

Frankie

Follow Follow is the ONLY reason the RST has so many members and you know that's a fact.

FF is the driving force behind the RST.

Simply put - if FF were to go down the swanny tomorrow, the RST would follow suit.

And you are not being honest here either. You are hiding behind one mumbled response after another with nothing but silly excuses.

You are your own man, a man who has the right to speak out when he so desires. A man who has the right to tell others why he resigned from the RST... yet you constantly sidestep the issue.

Poor show which everyone is noticing.

FF is a large reason why the RST has so many members - I would never say otherwise. But it's far from the only one and it's certainly NOT the driving force behind the RST even though many of the online opinions on there (and elsewhere) are often reflected in Trust policy. I doubt FF will go 'down the swanny' any time soon but if it did, the RST would not follow suit.

I am being very honest here and am not mumbling responses/excuses. I am perfectly within my rights to hold back on why I resigned and I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say 'everyone' is noticing' this 'poor show'.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

There is no propaganda machine - just healthy and lively debate on here and elsewhere about what the RST can and cannot offer.

Why has there been no explanation of what has happened Frankie? That seems very strange to me. I would have thought that the right think for any representative organisation to do under these circumstances is release a statement to let their members, and others, know what is going on.

I can't answer that mate.

Like I said, I've been on holiday so couldn't organise for someone else to be able to operate the RST site until a new webmaster was appointed. That should be done asap and then it's up for the remaining board to decide what they want to do with regards to explanations.

Frankie

Me again...

I appreciate you taking the time to come on here and answer the questions put forth.

What I don't appreciate you doing is coming on here and treating us as if we are stupid.

A new webmaster doesn't need to be appointed for someone to pop a message on the RST official site. It's run on the Open Source platform Joomla. All one needs to do is log into the admin panel and make a post - much like one would do on a forum.

Let's get it straight. If the RST WANTED to make a statement, it would have been on the site by now.

If the RST somehow managed to get a fan on the Rangers Board tomorrow, are you telling me that no statement would be made because we are awaiting a new webmaster???

Frankie, respect is something that is earned over time. You gained mine over the years. You've now lost it all.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

Frankie

Follow Follow is the ONLY reason the RST has so many members and you know that's a fact.

FF is the driving force behind the RST.

Simply put - if FF were to go down the swanny tomorrow, the RST would follow suit.

And you are not being honest here either. You are hiding behind one mumbled response after another with nothing but silly excuses.

You are your own man, a man who has the right to speak out when he so desires. A man who has the right to tell others why he resigned from the RST... yet you constantly sidestep the issue.

Poor show which everyone is noticing.

FF is a large reason why the RST has so many members - I would never say otherwise. But it's far from the only one and it's certainly NOT the driving force behind the RST even though many of the online opinions on there (and elsewhere) are often reflected in Trust policy. I doubt FF will go 'down the swanny' any time soon but if it did, the RST would not follow suit.

I am being very honest here and am not mumbling responses/excuses. I am perfectly within my rights to hold back on why I resigned and I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say 'everyone' is noticing' this 'poor show'.

And the reason for quick edit there was???

Don't worry, I seen what you posted. I would have deleted it out too.

[Frankie 505]

BML:

1. I was the only person with a log in to the RST site. As such, no-one else could post news stories while I was on holiday. I am not treating anyone as being stupid in that regard.

2. Again you post stuff about gaining material wealth and people not being volunteers. Are you suggesting I gained out of of being on the RST board? I can assure you it cost me a lot of money to represent it's members in various different ways. The same goes for the other board members. If you are going to persist with these ludicrous allegations I suggest you do so with facts instead of empty rhetoric.

3. The fascist tag has not been proved.

4. I am a propaganda machine?!! Do you honestly hold your fellow fans in such contempt that they can't make their own decisions on what I post?

Sorry but I think you're being rather unreasonable in the various inaccurate generalisations you'te posting here...

[Frankie 505]

And the reason for quick edit there was???

Don't worry, I seen what you posted. I would have deleted it out too.

The reason for the quick edit is that I noticed you had posted a response to my questions... That's why I deleted it.

[agr9 0]

Frankie,

Leaving the RST, FF issues aside, do you really think the RST has any standing now with It's members?

At the very time it should be gearing up for a fight to elect a member to the Rangers board it has lost It's original candidate, and to all intent and purposes,I'ts a rudderless operation now.

Who is now running the RST, who is the chairman, who is the vice-chaiman?Do you honestly think that Murray will deal with them now?

[BigManBlue 0]

Follow Follow was always keen to promote the RST,but now you can't ask questions about the resignations on there for fear of a lifetime ban.That has happened to several members.

You wanted to know about the 'fascist'tag,you don't have very far to look my friend, but I think you know that.

I'm sorry but I (or the rest of the existing/previous) RST board can't control what FF does.

As such, while the RST did indeed rightly promote themselves on that site, the RST cannot be blamed for the actions of that site admin.

I've always posted about the RST on FF, here and other forums and have always answered every question that I can honestly and openly. Similarly, the Trust hold an AGM, regular Open Days, have their own website for enquiries and recently organised the WRC Shop so members and non-members alike could find out more about the organisation.

The door has always been open so fascist doesn't quite describe the RST in my opinion.

Frankie

Follow Follow is the ONLY reason the RST has so many members and you know that's a fact.

FF is the driving force behind the RST.

Simply put - if FF were to go down the swanny tomorrow, the RST would follow suit.

And you are not being honest here either. You are hiding behind one mumbled response after another with nothing but silly excuses.

You are your own man, a man who has the right to speak out when he so desires. A man who has the right to tell others why he resigned from the RST... yet you constantly sidestep the issue.

Poor show which everyone is noticing.

Frankie perhaps can't speak out just now. As he said, a public forum isn't the place to be going into this just now. Frankie has resigned from the RST, so he can't make comment on it. I am guessing there are reasons why he can't explain to us on here, whether legal or some sort of gentlemans agreement.

Although that said, I was going to join the RST, but I too am holding off until I have a better understanding of what happened. When 3 of the main men resign, that does suggest something fairly major is up.

I reckon they have been asked to swallow shite by RFC or they will have nothing to do with them <_<

[dummiesoot 16,111]

Folks, I know this is a forum for peoples opinions, but can we please refrain from accusing people of financial gain without foundation.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

BML:

1. I was the only person with a log in to the RST site. As such, no-one else could post news stories while I was on holiday. I am not treating anyone as being stupid in that regard.

2. Again you post stuff about gaining material wealth and people not being volunteers. Are you suggesting I gained out of of being on the RST board? I can assure you it cost me a lot of money to represent it's members in various different ways. The same goes for the other board members. If you are going to persist with these ludicrous allegations I suggest you do so with facts instead of empty rhetoric.

3. The fascist tag has not been proved.

4. I am a propaganda machine?!! Do you honestly hold your fellow fans in such contempt that they can't make their own decisions on what I post?

Sorry but I think you're being rather unreasonable in the various inaccurate generalisations you'te posting here...

1. Ha. And if you died suddenly when still webmaster the RST site would have went into oblivion then? Don't be silly Frankie, if you were the only one with a login to the site then you are either lying or you are proving my previous point that the RST is a sham organisation. Which one is it?

2. Material wealth, Frankie. Not monetary wealth. You know fine well what I'm speaking about here. "meetings" with the Chairman where you really push him hard on your policies (sorry for the sarcasm), "tickets" to the big games, "fame" amongst the fellow fan... you know what I'm saying.

3. Yes it has. Numerous times on this thread. Follow Follow, the reason The RST is in existence, has banned all talk on the subject. The RST have failed to release a statement telling it's members whats going on. The RST has in the past non democratically elected board members. That is FASCISM. Like it or not but it most certainly is.

4. Yes you are. Punting mistruths for years on forums across the Internet. Funneling people into the RST with pictures painted so far from the truth it's unreal. "Contempt for a fellow fan" - don't try and pull the sympathy vote here Frankie. I do have contempt for a lot of what you say and do because you are lying outright here about numerous things.

So... what's inaccurate about my generalizations? I've posted detailed truths here and no general posts have come from my direction...

[Frankie 505]

Frankie,

Leaving the RST, FF issues aside, do you really think the RST has any standing now with It's members?

At the very time it should be gearing up for a fight to elect a member to the Rangers board it has lost It's original candidate, and to all intent and purposes,I'ts a rudderless operation now.

Who is now running the RST, who is the chairman, who is the vice-chaiman?Do you honestly think that Murray will deal with them now?

I can't answer for all members but going by what I've read on here and elsewhere many members are frustrated with a lack of information.

As it stands none of us (including me) can know what it is doing in terms of the valid issues you mention. I'd imagine it's members will hear more though very soon.

It is then up to them to make a judgement on whether or not the work in certain fields improves and not over the coming weeks and months.

[bigmarvloyal 0]

Folks, I know this is a forum for peoples opinions, but can we please refrain from accusing people of financial gain without foundation.

No one has posted anything about financial gain.

You and Frankie have misunderstood the meaning of material wealth though.

[Frankie 505]

1. Ha. And if you died suddenly when still webmaster the RST site would have went into oblivion then? Don't be silly Frankie, if you were the only one with a login to the site then you are either lying or you are proving my previous point that the RST is a sham organisation. Which one is it?

2. Material wealth, Frankie. Not monetary wealth. You know fine well what I'm speaking about here. "meetings" with the Chairman where you really push him hard on your policies (sorry for the sarcasm), "tickets" to the big games, "fame" amongst the fellow fan... you know what I'm saying.

3. Yes it has. Numerous times on this thread. Follow Follow, the reason The RST is in existence, has banned all talk on the subject. The RST have failed to release a statement telling it's members whats going on. The RST has in the past non democratically elected board members. That is FASCISM. Like it or not but it most certainly is.

4. Yes you are. Punting mistruths for years on forums across the Internet. Funneling people into the RST with pictures painted so far from the truth it's unreal. "Contempt for a fellow fan" - don't try and pull the sympathy vote here Frankie. I do have contempt for a lot of what you say and do because you are lying outright here about numerous things.

So... what's inaccurate about my generalizations? I've posted detailed truths here and no general posts have come from my direction...

1. If I died, yes there would have bee a problem actually. I was the only one with a login to the Joomla site. That was remiss of the organisation in that regard. However, it doesn't make it a sham.

2. Sorry but you can prevaricate on what you mean all you like. RST Board members do not gain out of their work. The complete opposite actually. I spent lots of money, received threats and certainly never received any tickets to big games. If that's 'fame' then I'd hate to be a celebrity.

3. You can go on about facsim all you like but you are wrong. FFis wrong to ban to talk on the organisation and the RST has also been too slow to release more info on the above. That's not fascism on it's part though.

4. Ah, now more unsubstantiated personal crap. Please post some of my lies and mistruths. Again you 'paint a picture' of your fellow fans as some sort of brainless lemmings. Bizarre!

5. A lot of stuff is inaccurate about what you have written - as I have shown. You're resorting to flawed allegations based on evidence that you seem reluctant or unable to post.

[Frankie 505]

Folks, I know this is a forum for peoples opinions, but can we please refrain from accusing people of financial gain without foundation.

No one has posted anything about financial gain.

You and Frankie have misunderstood the meaning of material wealth though.

"who care only for the lining of their own pockets"

Yep, misunderstood all right...

[BigManBlue 0]

Any chance of getting this answered

I reckon they have been asked to swallow shite by RFC or they will have nothing to do with them <_<

[bigmarvloyal 0]

1. Ha. And if you died suddenly when still webmaster the RST site would have went into oblivion then? Don't be silly Frankie, if you were the only one with a login to the site then you are either lying or you are proving my previous point that the RST is a sham organisation. Which one is it?

2. Material wealth, Frankie. Not monetary wealth. You know fine well what I'm speaking about here. "meetings" with the Chairman where you really push him hard on your policies (sorry for the sarcasm), "tickets" to the big games, "fame" amongst the fellow fan... you know what I'm saying.

3. Yes it has. Numerous times on this thread. Follow Follow, the reason The RST is in existence, has banned all talk on the subject. The RST have failed to release a statement telling it's members whats going on. The RST has in the past non democratically elected board members. That is FASCISM. Like it or not but it most certainly is.

4. Yes you are. Punting mistruths for years on forums across the Internet. Funneling people into the RST with pictures painted so far from the truth it's unreal. "Contempt for a fellow fan" - don't try and pull the sympathy vote here Frankie. I do have contempt for a lot of what you say and do because you are lying outright here about numerous things.

So... what's inaccurate about my generalizations? I've posted detailed truths here and no general posts have come from my direction...

1. If I died, yes there would have bee a problem actually. I was the only one with a login to the Joomla site. That was remiss of the organisation in that regard. However, it doesn't make it a sham.

Perhaps alone it does not... but it sure adds to the evidence proving it is.

2. Sorry but you can prevaricate on what you mean all you like. RST Board members do not gain out of their work. The complete opposite actually. I spent lots of money, received threats and certainly never received any tickets to big games. If that's 'fame' then I'd hate to be a celebrity.

Frankie, you know what I'm talking about here. I'm not saying you never spent lots of money nor do I condone the threats you received. But if you are telling me all these volunteers are in place for the betterment of Rangers then I'll have to believe you and take back my previous comments.

3. You can go on about facsim all you like but you are wrong. FFis wrong to ban to talk on the organisation and the RST has also been too slow to release more info on the above. That's not fascism on it's part.

IT IS FASCISM. Denying the right of free speech and democracy the RST is a fascist organisation. That has been proven in this debacle.

4. Ah, now more unsubstantiated personal crap. Please post some of my lies and mistruths. Again you 'paint a picture' of your fellow fans as some sort of brainless lemmings. Bizarre!

Again - just because you are a "fellow fan" doesn't mean I can't take a differing view from you and indeed challenge you on things. In fact, many fellow fans are wankers of the highest order. What's bizarre about that? You were the main propaganda machine for the RST - even you can't deny that Frankie.

5. A lot of stuff is inaccurate about what you have written - as I have shown. You're resorting to flawed allegations based on evidence that you seem reluctant or unable to post.

No I'm not and no it isn't. You are showing the RST and yourself up here for what you and it really is.

[Coopermania 1]

I think we need to chill a bit. Frankie has long been a respected and very good member of RM and I agree a forum like this is perhaps not the place to go into this.

I also think its grossly unfair to attack/accuse Frankie of anything in the way Ive read. Until anything comes out, its wrong to assume anything.