A Certain Football Club Refuses To Fund Clean Up After Games

[The Educator 1,572]

It seems that c****c have made themselves rather un-popular with the locals after they backtracked on a deal to fund cleaning up the mess caused by their fans after games. Yet more cut backs from that "cash rich" club.

http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13416957.Celtic_stops_funding_post_match_council_clean_ups/

"CELTIC have been blasted by local councillors and residents after they decided to stop funding the council's post match clean-up operation.

The east-end club has decided to withdraw a payment of around £1000 per match to the council for clearing streets neighbouring the ground after matches, leaving locals wondering if the service will continue.

The Parkhead club has contracts with the council to empty bins and clear the immediate vicinity stadium but has decided to cancel the service that extends to the surrounding streets.

Outraged resident groups and councillors are desperately seeking clarification from the Scottish Premiership champions as to why they have made the decision. Councillor George Redmond, who represents the ward has branded the move as ‘unacceptable.’

He said: “It’s really disappointing that Celtic would choose to withdraw this payment without any sort of engagement with the local community.

“The club has a much wider responsibility to the communities surrounding the stadium and they should be good community partners.

“This is not the end of the matter. The community councils in Parkhead, Dalmarnock and Barrowfield are up in arms.

“We’re not going to stand for it.”

“They have asked Councillor Kucuk and myself to act on their behalf to get this resolved.

He hopes a meeting with club officials will help overturn the decision.

“We are planning to meet with Celtic to have a responsible dialogue to find out what is happening.

"We hope they take this issue seriously and acknowledge the impact it has for local residents, hopefully they will see sense and continue paying.

“The biggest issue is that there was no engagement whatsoever they just told the council they wouldn’t be paying it anymore and I think that’s the most disappointing thing.

“It is unacceptable that they would act in this way, with no regard for the communities around the stadium.

"The council provides a good service that might now be withdrawn.”

Rangers stopped a similar the payment after getting into financial difficulties.

Residents are concerned about the mess that’ left after games and hope the matter can be resolved.

John Henderson, vice chairman of Dalmarnock and Bridgeton community council, said: “I think it’s despicable really.

"Celtic talk about being good for the community but they don’t even respond when we try to contact them.

“Some of the streets are unbelievable after games, of course they have a responsibility to help clear it up.”

Celtic were contacted but refused to comment on the matter."

[Inigo 32,534]

Doesn't it say we stopped it too?

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

Doesn't it say we stopped it too?

Was just about to post that, point scoring exercise - fail.

[The Educator 1,572]

Was just about to post that, point scoring exercise - fail.

The big difference is we weren't given land surrounding the stadium for pennies, and we didn't have the surrounding area to the ground redeveloped at a heavy cost to the tax payer. It says "Rangers stopped a similar the payment after getting into financial difficulties", it doesn't say if we have resumed payments or have been approached to resume the payments. The council owned grassland around the stadium is usually allowed by the council to become overgrown and unsightly a fact that is usually highlighted when news reports are being done regarding the club, meanwhile the area approaching the piggery is starting to look like an approach to a religious shrine by comparison.

[Inigo 32,534]

The big difference is we weren't given land surrounding the stadium for pennies, and we didn't have the surrounding area to the ground redeveloped at a heavy cost to the tax payer. It says "Rangers stopped a similar the payment after getting into financial difficulties", it doesn't say if we have resumed payments or have been approached to resume the payments. The council owned grassland around the stadium is usually allowed by the council to become overgrown and unsightly a fact that is usually highlighted when news reports are being done regarding the club, meanwhile the area approaching the piggery is starting to look like an approach to a religious shrine by comparison.

I think there are a few separate issues there. I think it might be an idea to find out if we pay for it before criticising them.

I doubt we do tbh. It's always a tip after games.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

Do they not keep telling us that they are a community club

[Inigo 32,534]

Do they not keep telling us that they are a community club

So do we.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

So do we.

We don't even come close ... If your school tells you often enough that you are the moral part of society eventually you will start to believe it

[Inigo 32,534]

We don't even come close ... If your school tells you often enough that you are the moral part of society eventually you will start to believe it

We still say we recognise our responsibility to the wider community.

I don't really see what wider morality has to do with it anyway. We're talking about their club, not the Catholic church or schooling. Same way the CoS has nothing to do with it. It's about the issue of litter, and if we don't do it we can't complain when they don't.

Best finding out if we do it before criticising them, otherwise it could look a bit daft.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

We still say we recognise our responsibility to the wider community.

I don't really see what wider morality has to do with it anyway. We're talking about their club, not the Catholic church or schooling. Same way the CoS has nothing to do with it. It's about the issue of litter, and if we don't do it we can't complain when they don't.

Best finding out if we do it before criticising them, otherwise it could look a bit daft.

Surely you agree that most tims are catholics ... and if the catholic education system doesn't make a difference why would the catholic church be so keen to preserve it?

[Inigo 32,534]

Surely you agree that most tims are catholics ... and if the catholic education system didn't make a difference why would the catholic church be so keen to preserve it?

Self protection. The Catholic Church isn't about morality, it's about self protection and self aggrandizement of their wee religious mafia. Tribalism at it's worst. The morals really come from Christianity.

But anyway, the point is none of that has anything to do with it.

If we do the same as them, we can't criticise them for it. Because Catholics go to Catholic schools doesn't mean they should be held to higher standards over cleaning up litter. (not to mention the fact that we normally like to believe ourselves morally superior to them. So it's a strange argument to use in a few ways).

[LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510]

FAIL.

[King Jela 20,476]

I don't know any tims that clean themselves tbh

[Thermopylae 15,287]

Self protection. The Catholic Church isn't about morality, it's about self protection and self aggrandizement of their wee religious mafia. Tribalism at it's worst. The morals really come from Christianity.

But anyway, the point is none of that has anything to do with it.

If we do the same as them, we can't criticise them for it. Because Catholics go to Catholic schools doesn't mean they should be held to higher standards over cleaning up litter. (not to mention the fact that we normally like to believe ourselves morally superior to them. So it's a strange argument to use in a few ways)

Surely a club formed for charity can pick up its own litter?

[corkinator 611]

We still say we recognise our responsibility to the wider community.

I don't really see what wider morality has to do with it anyway. We're talking about their club, not the Catholic church or schooling. Same way the CoS has nothing to do with it. It's about the issue of litter, and if we don't do it we can't complain when they don't.

Best finding out if we do it before criticising them, otherwise it could look a bit daft.

AHHHHHHHHHH! now i remember why is topped coming on here and posting or reading any forums, handringers like yourself out for a wee lefty argument. Go to Syria FFS and do us all a favour.

[Inigo 32,534]

Surely a club formed for charity can pick up its own litter?

Eh, surely anyone can. Not sure what point you're trying to make that I haven't already addressed.

[Inigo 32,534]

AHHHHHHHHHH! now i remember why is topped coming on here and posting or reading any forums, handringers like yourself out for a wee lefty argument. Go to Syria FFS and do us all a favour.

Can I add to your list of reasons 'not being able to discuss things all that well' and 'not contributing much beyond tired labels anyway'.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

Eh, surely anyone can. Not sure what point you're trying to make that I haven't already addressed.

One of the old firm constantly goes on about their charitable origins and it isn't us

[Inigo 32,534]

One of the old firm constantly goes on about their charitable origins and it isn't us

So? That means it should be fine for us to not pay for cleaning but not for them? Weird.

Any other charitable stuff, or our charitable stuff, or our declaring ourselves as morally superior to them (which we do) or any of that stuff is irrelevant.

Bottom line is that criticising them for some thing we also don't do just makes us look daft.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

So? That means it should be fine for us to not pay for cleaning but not for them? Weird.

Any other charitable stuff, or our charitable stuff, or our declaring ourselves as morally superior to them (which we do) or any of that stuff is irrelevant.

Bottom line is that criticising them for some thing we also don't do just makes us look daft.

What is weird is that you can't see that people who put themselves up on a pedestal should be above reproach

[Inigo 32,534]

What is weird is that you can't see that people who put themselves up on a pedestal should be above reproach

Do we not put ourselves on a pedestal over them? (quite rightly IMO)

Do you not think we should be doing this too, if we think they should be?

[Thermopylae 15,287]

Do we not put ourselves on a pedestal over them? (quite rightly IMO)

Do you not think we should be doing this too, if we think they should be?

I think we are better than them but they alone give themselves the accolade the best fans in the world

[Inigo 32,534]

I think we are better than them but they alone give themselves the accolade the best fans in the world

The fact they're deluded means they should be criticised for paying and we shouldn't?

Criticise both or neither. Lets not be hypocritical about it, because it is hypocritical.

Straightforward question is 'should it be done'. If the answer is 'yes', then both sides are due criticism for not doing it, their delusion notwithstanding. If the answer is 'no' then neither should be criticised for it. It's really that simple.

[ger4life_1872 29,638]

Why should either club be giving the council money too clean the streets , thats their job , the burger vans etc pay their permits too fund the council / clean up , the majority of our fans will be paying our taxes too fund them too

[dummiesoot 16,013]

Why should either club be giving the council money too clean the streets , thats their job , the burger vans etc pay their permits too fund the council / clean up , the majority of our fans will be paying our taxes too fund them too

I disagree, there are some right messy bastards in both supports, we should help pay towards the clean up. Some folk would never find a bin if they walked into it.