Another perception on recent claims by contacts/boss

[shorerdbear 2]

What does it matter what site we choose to post on? I log in regularly but don't post much, not because I don't like here or FF but I post on GF more and the topics covered are pretty much the same across all forums.

Fair enough, people will be loyal to their forum of choice but school ground insults will not help the club sort the problems it has or UNITE the fans together.

I've been saying for a while now that all supporters organisations have to sit down together, and it would be worthwhile for the main message boards to do likewise.

We're top of the league, in a final of one cup and have a replay to overcome in the Scottish Cup, so imo, backing the team is the most important area to focus on.

All the power struggles within the club and supporters organisations will eventually die down. (hopefully)

[MikeSpilligan 0]

No problem, just checking.

I'm in no doubt that the one after the Hibs game was in part (at least) born out of frustration that day.

I could have kicked my car in after watching that, so Christ knows how Walter felt.

Hope that's a typo and should read caT!!

No no, I was fucking furious at that game!

I could have panned in the (at the time) 1.5 ton piece of German brilliance no bother

Only other thing that can drive you that mad is women!!!

[Canadaready 9,437]

Fed up with all this squabbling. RM has no agenda and a lot of FF guys on here have been able to freely voice their opinions. Would the RM members have received the same courtesy on FF? Banned by now I think.

Too much hot air being spouted all around. Let's just wait and see what contacts has to say about all this.

I bet he is hiding in a bunker after so many Gers fans are chastising him. I would be.

[docspiderman 1,228]

No problem, just checking.

I'm in no doubt that the one after the Hibs game was in part (at least) born out of frustration that day.

I could have kicked my car in after watching that, so Christ knows how Walter felt.

I thought at the time it was a classic piece of deflection following the draw with Hibs after the humping at home from Unirea when his tactics and failure to change the game came under very open and unusual criticism.

[Shipyard Blues 4]

We are a quality right-back down on the squad from 18 months ago.

On the other hand, we have;

A settled strike partnership.

Steven Davis coming into his own.

Kevin Thomson looking smashing again.

Fleck developing well.

The best young defender in Scotland.

Bougherra has replaced Cuellar effortlessly.

I don't think things are as bad as some seemingly want to make out.

I don't want to make things out to be bad at all. We have the nucleus of a very good squad but people are concerned that the best parts of that squad may be dismantled. These concerns may prove to be unfounded but when the manager of the Club says things will get worse then it shouldn't surprise you that people ask questions.

Walter's outbursts were/are a big source of concern for me.

While I'm in no doubt that, like many clubs, finances aren't as rosy as they used to be, couldn't part of it just be Smith being extremely frustrated at dropped points?

Haven't his two main 'Doomsday Prediction' rants came after games where we haven't won when we really should have?

Is there any part of you that really believes that? Seriously have a long hard look in the mirror before coming to a conclusion bearing in mind on one of those occasions he's just reached another final, was at hero status again and could have basked in the glory.

[Shipyard Blues 4]

No problem, just checking.

I'm in no doubt that the one after the Hibs game was in part (at least) born out of frustration that day.

I could have kicked my car in after watching that, so Christ knows how Walter felt.

I thought at the time it was a classic piece of deflection following the draw with Hibs after the humping at home from Unirea when his tactics and failure to change the game came under very open and unusual criticism.

On the back of people questioning this and having the inablity to perceive the truth, it's not a coincidence he waited until the basking in the glory of reaching another final before sending more fireworks in the air to wake people up. Looks like he's going to have to use Nukes so many are planted in the sand next time.

[Canadaready 9,437]

Have never thought that Mark Dingwall started FF purely to make money, but as soon as the site took off and those clicks generated pennies which in turn generated pounds then that was the beginning of the end as far as FF was concerned. Ever wondered about his absolute reluctance to ban posters with a zero post count - lurkers, who click earn him more. A membership of around 30k or so with the majority of posts coming from the same people - speaks volumes.

Now, I don't know why there is such a high tolerance of bheasts on FF (possibly to do with a certain member of admin and his sisters leanings), but...when I was a member of FF I pm'd Dingwall on a few occasions asking why he was allowing several posters to run up post counts in to the thousands despite them being outed as bheasts - he never responded. So I put up a post mentioning the same, naming said posters and asking for them to be vouched for by admin or other members of the board.

Surprise surprise - the named posters vouched for each other, with FF admin actually vouching for two of them - admin then locked the thread, signing off with something along the lines of 'does that answer your question?'.

One of the bheasts, obviously a thick cunt then fucked up and took a screenshot of the thread before posting on one of their boards, but he included his FF username in the screenshot. I posted a picture of his thread on FF asking admin to explain themselves - life ban then followed. Doesn't like being put on the spot and asked to justify his actions does our Mark.

As for FF not pretending that it speaks for the people - that's exactly what it claims to do. Nice wee cosy love in with the RST (some would say a conflict of interest there)....chop posts/ban people who ask questions.

It's no small coincidence that the people who are behind VB are the very same people who made FF what it was (and no longer is)......as for the censorship of anything VB related - just what is Dingwall afraid off - peope asking questions....being exposed to the truth perhaps...

Yikes. Down wth bheasts!

[RFE 35]

<!--quoteo(post=1057702786:date=Feb 15 2010, 02:30 PM:name=nvager)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nvager @ Feb 15 2010, 02:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1057702786"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fed up with all this squabbling. RM has no agenda and a lot of FF guys on here have been able to freely voice their opinions. Would the RM members have received the same courtesy on FF? Banned by now I think.

Too much hot air being spouted all around. Let's just wait and see what contacts has to say about all this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I bet he is hiding in a bunker after so many Gers fans are chastising him. <img src="http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> I would be.

What would the reaction been if contacts had attending the meeting and said ...........

nothing?

Then people(RST/FF) found out later he had been there.

Can't win situation? You bet your life it is!

If I met Muir or was invited to meet him tomorrow you can bet your life I would sit and talk to him, I would ask all the questions I could think of then I would let as many bears as possible know what's been said.

[outlaw69uk 123]

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Lots of digesting, but very little fulfillment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It obviously worries me a bit more than most on here then. I think we need to keep an open mind from both angles and not fully commit to either those on FF or RM if thats how "sides" can be boxed. Probably a bit of truth in all.

I am worried people are being maniuplated, I just hope someone is strong enough to stand up and say enough. This is only about Rangers nothing else.

I think it's why we really need clarity and should demand it.

There are 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

The problem is, those on FF (or perhaps, fairer to say, those in charge on FF) have a vested interest in a very specific side of things, whereas, RM appears to have a far more open attitude towards things, some from almost every viewpoint, including some bheasts lol, so, in all honesty, the "RM opinion" is far more wide ranging than across the way, since it covers pretty much all sides. That holds true on most subjects and topics, and is something that should be applauded.

[Jimenez 1]

Contacts, be honest here.

Did you, or did you not meet with Muir ?

[thehost 11,061]

Fair play to RM for allowing this thread to remain open and for a full and frank discussion, warts and all, to be allowed.

[BlueIsTheColour 35]

Contacts, be honest here.

Did you, or did you not meet with Muir ?

He did, yes.

[GeneralCartmanLee 313]

Why is it a problem if contacts spoke to Muir, have never really understood that side of it

[Jimenez 1]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

[GeneralCartmanLee 313]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

What is the difference between people meeting with other rangers staff memebers who are spreading the stoires about Muir and posting anti muir articles ? Should they also be ashamed ?

I am sure boss will speak for himself but to my knowledge he did not meet with anyone.

[BlueIsTheColour 35]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

Jim, with respect, that is absolute nonsense.

For a start, Boss didn't attend the meeting and hs had no discussion with Muir.

Secondly, the answers which Muir gave to those at the meeting are the exact same as what our Chairman and Chief Exec have been telling the support since the AGM. They are not hiding anything. People were too busy believing media rumours and misinformation than actually listening to those in charge of the club.

[Jimenez 1]

My mistake, apologies to Boss then.

Who is meeting anyone from Rangers collecting information about Muir ?

The protest was organized by concerned supporters on the back of information made public from Walter Smith. You can forget about me taking sides here on this website or that - I couldn't give a shit. The organizers of said protest made their aims and contact details open to as many bears as they could both online and radio...

[boss 1,941]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

Jim

I have never met, spoken to, had email or any other contact with Donald Muir ever, or indeed Martin Bain for that matter. I neither move in these cirlces nor wish to. My views on Muir have been known long before this week.

[GeneralCartmanLee 313]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

Jim, with respect, that is absolute nonsense.

For a start, Boss didn't attend the meeting and hs had no discussion with Muir.

Secondly, the answers which Muir gave to those at the meeting are the exact same as what our Chairman and Chief Exec have been telling the support since the AGM. They are not hiding anything. People were too busy believing media rumours and misinformation than actually believe those in charge of the club.

Misinformation coming from the very people who are now posting personal slurs about the boss and contacts.....

[GeneralCartmanLee 313]

My mistake, apologies to Boss then.

Who is meeting anyone from Rangers collecting information about Muir ?

The protest was organized by concerned supporters on the back of information made public from Walter Smith. You can forget about me taking sides here on this website or that - I couldn't give a shit. The organizers of said protest made their aims and contact details open to as many bears as they could both online and radio...

A large amount of the "muir is the devil" stuff has come from a current rangers employee who is involved with the kiddie on consortium "attempting" to buy Rangers.

I'll let you work out if their is a vested interest there or not.

[Jimenez 1]

BITC

With all due respect mate, that the meeting was attended at all by anyone saddens me. The Rangers support wanted answers from Muir/bank as clearly pointed out in the protest aims, I can only speak for myself when I say I feel betrayed here.

[Jimenez 1]

My mistake, apologies to Boss then.

Who is meeting anyone from Rangers collecting information about Muir ?

The protest was organized by concerned supporters on the back of information made public from Walter Smith. You can forget about me taking sides here on this website or that - I couldn't give a shit. The organizers of said protest made their aims and contact details open to as many bears as they could both online and radio...

A large amount of the "muir is the devil" stuff has come from a current rangers employee who is involved with the kiddie on consortium "attempting" to buy Rangers.

I'll let you work out if their is a vested interest there or not.

The protest was organized on the back of information/comments made public by Smith.

You are trying to drag me into realms of cloak and dagger stuff that just isn't the case.

[Jimenez 1]

Well well.

I'm pretty astonished at that tbh. No offense to either Boss or Contacts here but as far as I'm concerned your view points are tainted. I read your articles on Muir with interest and it gave me something to mull over but to think hundreds/thousands were screaming almost pleading for answers from within the hierarchy only for two high profile posters to meet in private with him and to go on and release pro Muir articles...

You might not be ashamed of yourselves, but you bloody well should be.

Jim

I have never met, spoken to, had email or any other contact with Donald Muir ever, or indeed Martin Bain for that matter. I neither move in these cirlces nor wish to. My views on Muir have been known long before this week.

As stated, my mistake.

[Bluedell 14]

Secondly, the answers which Muir gave to those at the meeting are the exact same as what our Chairman and Chief Exec have been telling the support since the AGM. They are not hiding anything.

How do you know that?

[GeneralCartmanLee 313]

My mistake, apologies to Boss then.

Who is meeting anyone from Rangers collecting information about Muir ?

The protest was organized by concerned supporters on the back of information made public from Walter Smith. You can forget about me taking sides here on this website or that - I couldn't give a shit. The organizers of said protest made their aims and contact details open to as many bears as they could both online and radio...

A large amount of the "muir is the devil" stuff has come from a current rangers employee who is involved with the kiddie on consortium "attempting" to buy Rangers.

I'll let you work out if their is a vested interest there or not.

The protest was organized on the back of information/comments made public by Smith.

You are trying to drag me into realms of cloak and dagger stuff that just isn't the case.

Not trying to drag you into anything and i am not talking about the protest (well not directly anyway)

I am talking about the information being out out there about Donald Muir and where it comes from. Smith has never mentioned Muir by name, not once....