Nationalist Rangers Fans

[*Manticore* 1,893]

Social engineering on a mammoth scale mate. Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich were funded by the very same people who we paid back our "war debt" to. The yank Zionists sat back and let the European Jews be slaughtered, knowing full well that the remaining Jewish people around the world would be horrified and, rather than learn from history, compounded the problem by creating the state of Israel and arming it to the teeth. How do I know this? I used to be one of the Knights Templar, but got black-balled for disregarding their dress code.

Bottom line.........millions of poor people were slaughtered, for nothing more than to preserve whats left of the Earths natural resources for a little while longer. The NASA space programme is nothing more than an escape plan for the richest handful of families when the planet freezes over again. These are the same handful of families who survived after the last big freeze. The same people who built the pyramids.

You won't read that in your Daily fucking Record.................

What about the lizards?

Where do they fit in?

Tell us about the lizards WVB.

TELL US.

[WVB 2,560]

Talking of NASA, I shit you not, I recently bought a Press Release for one of their shuttle launches on E-Bay. Don't ask why. Anyway, amongst the blurbs about the commercialisation of space and so on was a little bit about them taking strains of the E-Coli virus into space. This is like 1990 something or other.

*cue X-Files music*

I liked that Catatonia track, "Mulder & Scully".

[Whyte N McKay 17]

What about the lizards?

Where do they fit in?

Tell us about the lizards WVB.

TELL US.

Well, depends who you read really. Apparently they were dominant master race prior to the humans and our own rise was only made possible by destroying the slimy bastards. They bred the big bastards we call dinosaurs and ate them. They also genetically engineered great lizards they rode and used to navigate the oceans and their cities were entirely organic. I presume they learned this from one of the Elder Races whom they would have served or even been genetically engineered by.

[WVB 2,560]

What about the lizards?

Where do they fit in?

Tell us about the lizards WVB.

TELL US.

Are you sitting comfortably?

Then I'll begin..............

Its a secret. A big, 12 foot high, shape-shifting secret.

[keithgersbear 3,225]

Thats correct. To control you and your movements. Great, isn't it?

Lets just have people running wild in your world WVB.

[WVB 2,560]

Lets just have people running wild in your world WVB.

What......you mean, like, freedom?

The thing you fail to have grasped here is that "terrorists" are more often than not, reacting to the actions of governments. If governments weren't corrupt, self-serving thieves & warmongers, there would be no percieved injustices for said terrorists to react to.

You are just a number to them, an inconvenient number, which they would happily expend. All of us are. Thats the democracy we live in. Look at how our soldiers are treated when they come home, by their own government.

Its all a lie. Believe nothing.

[keithgersbear 3,225]

What......you mean, like, freedom?

The thing you fail to have grasped here is that "terrorists" are more often than not, reacting to the actions of governments. If governments weren't corrupt, self-serving thieves & warmongers, there would be no percieved injustices for said terrorists to react to.

You are just a number to them, an inconvenient number, which they would happily expend. All of us are. Thats the democracy we live in. Look at how our soldiers are treated when they come home, by their own government.

Its all a lie. Believe nothing.

Nonsense. One of the biggest terrorist groups going in the world is around because it wants to force its barbaric system amongst the native people of Afghanistan and take away all basic freedom from them. In your world, you would have people entering countries at the drop of a hat and would cause utter chaos.

I would rather just be a "number" in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland than be a number under Nazi rule or Taliban rule and have absolutely no freedom and not even be allowed to express disagreement.

[WVB 2,560]

OK.

[WVB 2,560]

Nonsense. One of the biggest terrorist groups going in the world is around because it wants to force its barbaric system amongst the native people of Afghanistan and take away all basic freedom from them. In your world, you would have people entering countries at the drop of a hat and would cause utter chaos.

I would rather just be a "number" in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland than be a number under Nazi rule or Taliban rule and have absolutely no freedom and not even be allowed to express disagreement.

Which all ties nicely in with the opening post............ All different types of folk and opinions make up The Rangers support.

[keithgersbear 3,225]

Which all ties nicely in with the opening post............ All different types of folk and opinions make up The Rangers support.

Of course.

[dukestreetsoup 69]

Imagine if you will, that Scottish Independence meant that the country was better off. Better schools and hospitals. Less poverty and crime. More money per head and an all round higher standard of living. A better and safer country to raise your children equating to them being happier throughout their lives.

Would you say no to that because of the tradition of your football team?

I dont personally think independence would make us any better off, so for that reason alone I would vote to stay part of the union.

[Whyte N McKay 17]

Imagine if you will, that Scottish Independence meant that the country was better off. Better schools and hospitals. Less poverty and crime. More money per head and an all round higher standard of living. A better and safer country to raise your children equating to them being happier throughout their lives.

Would you say no to that because of the tradition of your football team?

I dont personally think independence would make us any better off, so for that reason alone I would vote to stay part of the union.

I have to say when we're not getting any real debate about the issues, we're getting fed a constant stream of misinformation and lies from a media which is in fact a closed system of communication for a very select elite and the voter turn out is no more than 70% in any election (and often a lot less) people making their choices based up their football team seems entirely natural. Reporting on sport in this country is as politicised as anything else. In fact more so than a lot of things. Noted the changing of the winds blowing Neil Lennon's direction post-election?

[dukestreetsoup 69]

I have to say when we're not getting any real debate about the issues, we're getting fed a constant stream of misinformation and lies from a media which is in fact a closed system of communication for a very select elite and the voter turn out is no more than 70% in any election (and often a lot less) people making their choices based up their football team seems entirely natural. Reporting on sport in this country is as politicised as anything else. In fact more so than a lot of things. Noted the changing of the winds blowing Neil Lennon's direction post-election?

If the majority of people in this country vote because of their football team rather than reasons such as the ones I said above then we are fucked as a country either way and better cling on to the union for dear life!

[Whyte N McKay 17]

If the majority of people in this country vote because of their football team rather than reasons such as the ones I said above then we are fucked as a country either way and better cling on to the union for dear life!

Yes we had. The thing is that people who would vote for those reasons usually, actually don't vote. You make those sorts of descisions if you're not terribly interested in parliamentary politics because you're generally sick of it all. There's a small minority of politically active football fans but most probably don't give a shit. Until, of course, politics begins to have an impact on them.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

When you think of all the English and Scottish that died in the trenches together.

This.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

I am Scottish and would never live in that cesspit of a country .............

Very releived about that to be honest.

[eastlothianbear 28]

Rangers is a broad church nowadays and all the better for it. If your black or white, catholic or protestant, Scottish or English, provided you are wanting to cheer on the lads and you bleed blue you should be most welcome.

I'm a Rangers supporting nationalist. That said, I would be willing to change alliance to another party if I felt it was in the best interests of myself. I struggle to comprehend the view that " I always vote labour/tory/snp". Political parties should be judged on their recent history, and voters should weigh up the options and actually decide what party will best represent themselves.

The SNP are in power because they have the best politician in the UK at the helm. Like him or loath him(and he is smug) Salmond has been brilliant for Scotland. Massive cuts from westminister yet we have more police on the street, council tax has been frozen(labour would have put it up by 40%) free prescriptions, reducing parking fee's through negotiations on PFI contracts, no bridge tolls, 30 year low in crime. They do run a good tight ship.

HOWEVER. The bill in it's current form on sectarianism isn't watertight and has clearly been rushed through. In an ideal world they would provide a list of songs that will be outlawed. While I'm delighted they are doing something about sectarianism, they have got it all wrong. Indeed you could probably lifted 90% of the celtic support out of tynecastle last week!

[Whyte N McKay 17]

The SNP are in power because they have the best politician in the UK at the helm. Like him or loath him(and he is smug) Salmond has been brilliant for Scotland. Massive cuts from westminister yet we have more police on the street, council tax has been frozen(labour would have put it up by 40%) free prescriptions, reducing parking fee's through negotiations on PFI contracts, no bridge tolls, 30 year low in crime. They do run a good tight ship.

While I appreciate he has no tax raising powers and that effects the SNP's ability to affect change I think 'brilliant' is a little bit of an overstatement. Compared to the way the country was being run by Labour sure, it's a big difference, but all they've really done is do their job as it should be done. Nothing more and nothing less. At the end of the day if you have any hopes that the SNP are any different from any other career politicians they are going to be dashed.

[eastlothianbear 28]

While I appreciate he has no tax raising powers and that effects the SNP's ability to affect change I think 'brilliant' is a little bit of an overstatement. Compared to the way the country was being run by Labour sure, it's a big difference, but all they've really done is do their job as it should be done. Nothing more and nothing less. At the end of the day if you have any hopes that the SNP are any different from any other career politicians they are going to be dashed.

The block grant has been cut by thousands of millions of pounds. Yet the government has managed to achieve a real terms cut in taxation, free tertiory education and the other things I mentioned. Call him a fat cunt if it floats your boat, but he is fiscally sound and the austerity measures he has taken have shown his interest in people over red tape. I honestly don't know if I could afford to live under another Labour government.

[Whyte N McKay 17]

The block grant has been cut by thousands of millions of pounds. Yet the government has managed to achieve a real terms cut in taxation, free tertiory education and the other things I mentioned. Call him a fat cunt if it floats your boat, but he is fiscally sound and the austerity measures he has taken have shown his interest in people over red tape. I honestly don't know if I could afford to live under another Labour government.

Yes, I think what they have done is to be commended but the stark reality of politics in this historical moment is that he has to buy and con votes out of people the same as anybody else. Whatever they do, ultimately, is to ensure that the SNP are the people who decide what happens in Scotland. Of course that means that there will be undoubted benefits, people aren't stupid, but there's very little beyond that primary motivation. When they tap into some sort of latent scottish national pride they are effecting a deception. Now of course this is irrelevant to what most people are concerned about, which is their day-to-day struggle to survive and prosper, but there is a danger if we don't treat our politicians the same way they treat us. Cameron and Salmond are very much alike on this score. Policy might vary to suit the electoral base but they are, as you say, both very good politicians. I'm just of the opinion that a good politician today is a very bad politician 100 years ago.

[nachothelegend 1,932]

The block grant has been cut by thousands of millions of pounds. Yet the government has managed to achieve a real terms cut in taxation, free tertiory education and the other things I mentioned. Call him a fat cunt if it floats your boat, but he is fiscally sound and the austerity measures he has taken have shown his interest in people over red tape. I honestly don't know if I could afford to live under another Labour government.

Someone will have to pay for it all eventually, he is hiding it all well .

[WVB 2,560]

I'm still not sure who that is telling me to vote for.

[Whyte N McKay 17]

I'm still not sure who that is telling me to vote for.

You have to play it backwards.

[eastlothianbear 28]

Yes, I think what they have done is to be commended but the stark reality of politics in this historical moment is that he has to buy and con votes out of people the same as anybody else. Whatever they do, ultimately, is to ensure that the SNP are the people who decide what happens in Scotland. Of course that means that there will be undoubted benefits, people aren't stupid, but there's very little beyond that primary motivation. When they tap into some sort of latent scottish national pride they are effecting a deception. Now of course this is irrelevant to what most people are concerned about, which is their day-to-day struggle to survive and prosper, but there is a danger if we don't treat our politicians the same way they treat us. Cameron and Salmond are very much alike on this score. Policy might vary to suit the electoral base but they are, as you say, both very good politicians. I'm just of the opinion that a good politician today is a very bad politician 100 years ago.

I'm sorry I really don't agree. The SNP agenda has always been doing what they think is best for Scotland. Polically I am centre right, while the SNP are centre/centre/left, but they run government far better than any other party and indeed do this only with the interests of the people at heart. There are many "career politicans" on the go, however the SNP are driven by a goal and therefore I excuse the vast majority of the party of this. As a london based poster I'm sure you understand how popular Salmond is even in england, whenever he is on question time, the feedback is staggering.

With regards to Independence, the union has failed Scotland. Every year for the last 32 Scotland has run in Surplus(Governments own figures) yet the debt of the UK is now over 1,000,000 million pounds DESPITE Scots paying in more than they receive. Now we are seing our budget cut by the Tory Government despite having no say on this. Expect unionist parties to try like hell to keep us in the union as they need out revenues.

[Whyte N McKay 17]

I'm sorry I really don't agree. The SNP agenda has always been doing what they think is best for Scotland. Polically I am centre right, while the SNP are centre/centre/left, but they run government far better than any other party and indeed do this only with the interests of the people at heart. There are many "career politicans" on the go, however the SNP are driven by a goal and therefore I excuse the vast majority of the party of this. As a london based poster I'm sure you understand how popular Salmond is even in england, whenever he is on question time, the feedback is staggering.

With regards to Independence, the union has failed Scotland. Every year for the last 32 Scotland has run in Surplus(Governments own figures) yet the debt of the UK is now over 1,000,000 million pounds DESPITE Scots paying in more than they receive. Now we are seing our budget cut by the Tory Government despite having no say on this. Expect unionist parties to try like hell to keep us in the union as they need out revenues.

Oh, undoubtedly Salmond is terrifically popular but i'd put it to you that his popularity isn't based on his 'brilliant' polices or glittering personality. It's largely down to a subtle change in media language and perception following the removal of Labour from power. Truely the difference was felt up here almost immediately and likely similar effects were felt in England. That Salmond is being associated with this feel-good factor is expedient. Cameron knows he's got no hope of gaining any kind of vote in Scotland so far better to keep things friendly with the slippery customer that is Alex Salmond.

As for independance you can be as entirely rational as you like. You can quote as many figures and statistics as you like. The fact is that a majority of people are opposed to the notion for no reason they can rationally explain and a minority of people, hey maybe just a minority of one, is opposed to the notion because they don't fancy giving these politicians too much freedom of action. Lets just say it's a balance of misery. Until politicians rebuild that level of trust which all of them erroded over the last 30 years, you can forget all but the most practical and pragmatic of policies.