The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: You're not doing big picture are you? We are not getting the required level of investment needed to secure the quality of player to compete in this league and to put the ball in the back of the net consistently enough. Quality does actually count and if you believe we have the quality in this team to challenge for anything this season, you are deluded. We've dominated every game bar one and despite having dropped points in four games, in each of those games we have been of a higher quality of our opponents and should have won. I believe that, prior to the Celtic game at least, statistically we had created the most chances and given up the least opportunities in the league. We have the pieces we just aren't putting the picture together properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: You will not win this league with a transfer budget of around 2mill and a wage budget paying over the hill players too much money. Also before the usual muppets start screaming the last board this and that, they funded the gardener with more than enough money to win those leagues and he fucked up the last one. Our wage budget is apparently somewhere around £10m. That should be enough to see of any one of Kilmarnock, Hamilton or Ross County. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,297 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 48 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: I quite like garner and think he will do well but he really wasn't a priority. The manager had over 1.5 million to spend and he went with another attacking player. This all day long. We've brought in some decent players but the mix hasn't been right. Not strengthening the centre back area to the same extent of the other areas was criminal. I also think the Barton and NK signings look like a bad misjudgement. Barton appears to have upset the team spirit we had from (most of) last season and Niko just doesn't look up for the fight. Every manager makes some mistakes with their signings. Let's just hope he is around to correct these errors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Our wage budget is apparently somewhere around £10m. That should be enough to see of any one of Kilmarnock, Hamilton or Ross County. So what are you saying that the manager is at fault, if so then the buck stops with the board they appointed him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,923 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: Really? The fan boys were quick to demand that King be given credit for hiring him. Can't have it both ways I'm afraid. And what about you, were you happy with Warburtons appointment? I thought it was the correct appointment, but now, i think he'll be lucky to see Halloween. I'm sure you and your ilk will use it as a stick to beat the guys running the club because that's what your mo is Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: Our wage budget is apparently somewhere around £10m. That should be enough to see of any one of Kilmarnock, Hamilton or Ross County. Also where does it say that what you pay someone means they are so much better than a player on less wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: So what are you saying that the manager is at fault, if so then the buck stops with the board they appointed him. In a way it does. I would expect any board to remove a failing manager, not fall on their sword because they appointed the wrong guy. There'd be a fucking shitload of boardroom changes if boards went all the times instead of managers. To suggest he hasn't been backed financially to beat the likes of Ross County at Ibrox is batshit crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,719 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Wish the board never gave him money so I wouldn't have to sit through watching overpriced dross in Hill, Krancjar and Barton! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Also where does it say that what you pay someone means they are so much better than a player on less wages. It was the rule for the last four years wasn't it...or does the second biggest budget argument only apply to McCoist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: In a way it does. I would expect any board to remove a failing manager, not fall on their sword because they appointed the wrong guy. There'd be a fucking shitload of boardroom changes if boards went all the times instead of managers. To suggest he hasn't been backed financially to beat the likes of Ross County at Ibrox is batshit crazy. Why, he has been given just under 2 mill. Listen I think Warburton is his own worst enemy but you can't just say it's all his fault. It's a combination of a board who won't provide the proper funding and a manager who will not change his tactics. Gives you the perfect storm for a mid table finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Also where does it say that what you pay someone means they are so much better than a player on less wages. There's a direct correlation between wages and league table finish to be fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, B1872 said: Wish the board never gave him money so I wouldn't have to sit through watching overpriced dross in Hill, Krancjar and Barton! Hill I've never understood, Barton and Krancjar I can see an inexperienced manager getting dazzled by the big names and thinking it's the answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, thehost said: it filters down to an under-invested squad. Irrespective of what the board's fan-stooges produce the proof is on the field. Under investment, lack of proactive engagement, inability to protect the brand, a disturbing ability to ignore, on the field, self-assessment leads to the dross we see this season. The manager's position needs reviewed, the board need chased. Only a WG 1872ite, would be anything other than scunnered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Why, he has been given just under 2 mill. Listen I think Warburton is his own worst enemy but you can't just say it's all his fault. It's a combination of a board who won't provide the proper funding and a manager who will not change his tactics. Gives you the perfect storm for a mid table finish. and 10 million a year in wages up from around half that figure last season. 1.5 for Garner 250k Rossiter 250k Dodoo undisclosed fee for Hodson (60-100k) 60k each for Windass & Crooks (and a wee bit extra to get them released early) 500k for O'Halloran in January. Then there's wages for Hill, Kranjcar, Gilks & Barton who will all likely be on decent wages (in addition to all the new players we signed (Rossiter is reported to be on 10k p/w) There was also new deals (and payrises) for several players, including one for Waghorn still being on the table, and the management team. Other than that though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: There's a direct correlation between wages and league table finish to be fair. So we should sack the manager on Monday then and question why players who seem unable to perform to their wage level are getting signed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: There's a direct correlation between wages and league table finish to be fair. Think you should also remind us what happened to Ally on that correlation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Think you should also remind us what happened to Ally on that correlation. Exactly, being a completely incompetent manager will always have an effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: and 10 million a year in wages up from around half that figure last season. 1.5 for Garner 250k Rossiter 250k Dodoo undisclosed fee for Hodson (60-100k) 60k each for Windass & Crooks (and a wee bit extra to get them released early) 500k for O'Halloran in January. Then there's wages for Hill, Kranjcar, Gilks & Barton who will all likely be on decent wages (in addition to all the new players we signed (Rossiter is reported to be on 10k p/w) There was also new deals (and payrises) for several players, including one for Waghorn still being on the table, and the management team. Other than that though... You have this 10mill wages for first team squad from where? You've also made the same point twice on that one Garner is spread over next season so he has only really cost us 750k of actually spend so far. The wage rises I will give you, maybe the board should've waited to see how this squad performed in a higher league, by all means give them a bonus for winning the championship but it should've stopped there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: You have this 10mill wages for first team squad from where? You've also made the same point twice on that one Garner is spread over next season so he has only really cost us 750k of actually spend so far. The wage rises I will give you, maybe the board should've waited to see how this squad performed in a higher league, by all means give them a bonus for winning the championship but it should've stopped there. The board's pal Keith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 minute ago, The Dude said: The board's pal Keith. And he got it from the haircut in the directors box covering his arse on the underfunding question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: And he got it from the haircut in the directors box covering his arse on the underfunding question. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Do you have a verifiable figure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Exactly, being a completely incompetent manager will always have an effect. Steady, if that's the case Warburton must be running him a close second. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob1873 417 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, STEPPS BOY said: We have, by far, the second biggest budget in scottish football. we've drew with Kilmarnock, Hamilton and now Ross county. The buck stops with the manager. Agreed we don't have the cash we once had the issue is that cash wasn't there we know the end result. Clearly to win the league we need extra cash from somewhere but the $64000 question is where and from whom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Just now, The Dude said: Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Do you have a verifiable figure? No, but I'm not the one making any claims on how much we are paying our squad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,923 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Steady, if that's the case Warburton must be running him a close second. We've won 16 in past 32 league games so,aye, Warburton is doing a decent job of trying to outdo Ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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