The wage thief.

[plumbGER 24,518]

13 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

 

Mate that's the best I've read on any forum for a long time. Brilliant. What you'll get now is somebody coming back at you with very important issue "safe standing", that's the reason we are not winning anything you know Anyway best truthful rant I've heard in ages

Rant? Yes

Truthful? Not so sure.

[plumbGER 24,518]

4 minutes ago, VentyFour said:

why hasn't he told us his views on it? 

I'd hazard a guess at a legally binding non-disclosure agreement being signed upon agreeing his contract.

[.Williamson. 82,208]

16 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

 

Mate that's the best I've read on any forum for a long time. Brilliant. What you'll get now is somebody coming back at you with very important issue "safe standing", that's the reason we are not winning anything you know Anyway best truthful rant I've heard in ages

 

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

4 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

 

Truthful.

Unfortunately it is.

[Copland bear 7,966]

17 hours ago, Getstiffed said:

My hero growing up.

My second son was born March 2012 and I named him Alistair. 

Ally legitimately broke my heart.

Never a truer saying , That there's a thin line between love and hate.   

I feel exactly the same under a bad Rangers team he came good and was there when we won it at pottodrie for the first time in 9 years then the success we had beyond our wildest dreams.

He became a millionaire playing for us then went to the BBC and A question of sport , the Scotland job then back as Walters assistant, so  he was not short of a bob or two, then the  gardening leave was the final straw as he did not need to do this as he knew we were skint and in our bloody knees and it's us supporters who suffer most   

I would like to see him donate the shares to club 1872 , then maybe we could forgive, 

Its like Naismith ? We are crying out for a player like him and yet a lot of fans would be up in arms and rightly so after what he said with that cunt Whittaker. 

[plumbGER 24,518]

Just now, BLUEDIGNITY said:

Unfortunately it is.

It's not really, well not all of it, there's plenty opinion in it as well.

[backup 4,724]

The statement read: "The company announces that Alastair McCoist, manager of the first team squad, has resigned. His service contract dated December 28, 2010, which was subsequently amended, has a 12-month notice period ("Notice Period").

"The directors will hold discussions with Mr McCoist to seek an amicable solution in the best interests of the company, and expect to be in a position to make a further announcement before the end of the week. During the notice period, Mr McCoist's salary will increase significantly to GBP750,000 per annum.

[OhW 4,669]

1 hour ago, Copland bear said:

We are all on the spectrum mate.   So before you come away with smart comments make sure you know what the spectrum actually is.

For your info my son has autism and at a special needs school and I have been told by all the specialists we are all on the spectrum just where you are on the spectrum 👍🏻,  

Glad to clear that up for you.  

Proved his point.

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

9 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

It's not really, well not all of it, there's plenty opinion in it as well.

Brings out emotions in supporters and fans like Copland Bear who have seen it all and and been through all the highs and the lows of this Club for a long time from an early age and although I don't agree with him in everything my emotions mirror his on this one. It's a feeling of betrayal and there's a lot of people being betrayed in this country at the moment between one thing and another. He's spot on about the shares being hande over. How he feel reminds of the old adage "Never push a Loyal person to the point where he no longer gives a fuck".

[Paulbrian11 432]

Betrayal?  If people insist on putting footballers on ridiculous pedestals and then lashing out like a petulant wean when it turns out that said footballer is, gasp, a fallible human like the rest of us then they’re just asking to feel betrayed.  

What gets me about all this is people’s unwilingness to judge Ally like he’s a living, breathing person with universal flaws.  Instead he’s cast as a sinister pantomime villain motivated only by filthy lucre  rather than a guy probably doing what’s best for his family.

[Copland bear 7,966]

12 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said:Your first paragraph is just bollocks - the sad thing is we have never heard Ally’s views on all this - and folk just make piss up and then others believe it 

imho the large majority of fans think he has nothing to forgive - RM I’d a strange place. 

Like every one else I’d love to know the truth but into the vacuum left we just have a heap of nonsense that some accept as fact 

I would just live him to donate the shares to club1872,  Everything else would,be forgotten in an instant.  

Truly guts me to say what I said , if I saw McCosit at the airport and I was wearing my Rangers top I would walk past him and it breaks my heart as I remember him scoring a penalty at Ibrox as a young kid for sure Johnstone against us in the cup as a 9 year old  and by 16 he was my hero and I used to argue with cunts who said he was lucky , lucky my arse, how many times would we b hit the post or bar or the ball take a deflection and land right in Ally's feet ? 

He created his own luck on the pitch and one thing I will say about him he gave everything he had , he worked like fuck for the team also closing down defenders etc.

Now I'm all done in Ally, away to see if I have his first video super Ally up the loft and find the old vhs recorder.  Happier times 

[plumbGER 24,518]

27 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

"Never push a Loyal person to the point where he no longer gives a fuck".

Does this only apply to people within a certain wage structure?

[Copland bear 7,966]

3 minutes ago, Paulbrian11 said:

Betrayal?  If people insist on putting footballers on ridiculous pedestals and then lashing out like a petulant wean when it turns out that said footballer is, gasp, a fallible human like the rest of us then they’re just asking to feel betrayed.  

What gets me about all this is people’s unwilingness to judge Ally like he’s a living, breathing person with universal flaws.  Instead he’s cast as a sinister pantomime villain motivated only by filthy lucre  rather than a guy probably doing what’s best for his family.

Best for his family?  Without bears digging deep we were dead. Then what ??   He was already a millionaire ffs so I think his family would be well taken care off don't you.  

[Copland bear 7,966]

3 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

Does this only apply to people within a certain wage structure?

The wages is a sore point, but he can keep the money, but it's the shares that gets me,. If he genourously handed them over to club1872 then all would be forgiven in most bears eyes. 

[Paulbrian11 432]

3 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

Best for his family?  Without bears digging deep we were dead. Then what ??   He was already a millionaire ffs so I think his family would be well taken care off don't you.  

I have no idea, I’m not really a fan of counting other people’s money. 

[backup 4,724]

3 minutes ago, Paulbrian11 said:

I have no idea, I’m not really a fan of counting other people’s money. 

The Rangers money...not other peoples !

[TMB 14,167]

34 minutes ago, backup said:

The statement read: "The company announces that Alastair McCoist, manager of the first team squad, has resigned. His service contract dated December 28, 2010, which was subsequently amended, has a 12-month notice period ("Notice Period").

"The directors will hold discussions with Mr McCoist to seek an amicable solution in the best interests of the company, and expect to be in a position to make a further announcement before the end of the week. During the notice period, Mr McCoist's salary will increase significantly to GBP750,000 per annum.

I've seen higher numbers than that.  This article suggests McCoist was earning £825,000 per year when we were in the lower divisions.  When placed on Gardening Leave McCoist reneged on the wage cut and collected a full salary for 12 months so helping the club out was no longer a concern to him.

When Green took over he needed the backing of a "Rangers Man" to get the fans on side and buying season tickets again.  I think McCoist was asked for that public support and in return he was financially rewarded with a ridiculous contract and penny shares that would earn him millions in later years.  Green was only here for the short-term as this was a money making exercise for him and his consortium so I doubt if he actually cared about McCoist being a success or not.  

 

[VentyFour 690]

1 hour ago, plumbGER said:

I'd hazard a guess at a legally binding non-disclosure agreement being signed upon agreeing his contract.

This has always been my opinion on it, and why I have lost respect for him. He sold his integrity imo

[plumbGER 24,518]

12 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

The wages is a sore point, but he can keep the money, but it's the shares that gets me,. If he genourously handed them over to club1872 then all would be forgiven in most bears eyes. 

Ally is on record as saying he wants to pass the shares down through generations to his family, who are you to ask him to do anything different?

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

14 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

Does this only apply to people within a certain wage structure?

Applies to everybody, in fact see right now I could punch that craig whyte right in the face, if I knew where his castle was, and I'll tell you another thing I'm that angry next time I pass the phiggery I going to look away from it, that'll show these bhastards ! Phew feel better after that. Debenture, Blue Heaven, Shares, Season Ticket Loyal.

[plumbGER 24,518]

12 minutes ago, backup said:

The Rangers money...not other peoples !

That's still other peoples money doofus.

[Copland bear 7,966]

3 minutes ago, plumbGER said:

Ally is on record as saying he wants to pass the shares down through generations to his family, who are you to ask him to do anything different?

One of the cunts that help keep the club alive, you know no money we are fucked scenario 

[Copland bear 7,966]

4 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

Applies to everybody, in fact see right now I could punch that craig whyte right in the face, if I knew where his castle was, and I'll tell you another thing I'm that angry next time I pass the phiggery I going to look away from it, that'll show these bhastards ! Phew feel better after that. Debenture, Blue Heaven, Shares, Season Ticket Loyal.

Why look away when passing the piggery? get the windows down tunes onand give the cunts it big style. 

[plumbGER 24,518]

4 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

Applies to everybody, in fact see right now I could punch that craig whyte right in the face, if I knew where his castle was, and I'll tell you another thing I'm that angry next time I pass the phiggery I going to look away from it, that'll show these bhastards ! Phew feel better after that. Debenture, Blue Heaven, Shares, Season Ticket Loyal.

Everybody?

A word I was use to describe loyalty would be honour, Ally get's criticised for honouring his part of the contract, so it looks like loyalty has different conditions for different people imo.

The sarcastic tone about Whyte I find laughable, Ally was live on the radio so he has to abide by certain rules obviously. Lbh plenty of Bears have seen Whyte and done fuck all and he swans about taking selfies with taigs, so not like Allys words would make any difference no matter how strong they were.

[The Dude 20,026]

18 minutes ago, TMB said:

I've seen higher numbers than that.  This article suggests McCoist was earning £825,000 per year when we were in the lower divisions.  When placed on Gardening Leave McCoist reneged on the wage cut and collected a full salary for 12 months so helping the club out was no longer a concern to him.

When Green took over he needed the backing of a "Rangers Man" to get the fans on side and buying season tickets again.  I think McCoist was asked for that public support and in return he was financially rewarded with a ridiculous contract and penny shares that would earn him millions in later years.  Green was only here for the short-term as this was a money making exercise for him and his consortium so I doubt if he actually cared about McCoist being a success or not.  

 

Quite a bit of re-writing of history there. The £825k figure was released in annual accounts covering a period of 13 months (coincidentally Green walked away with even more over the same period).

There was no 'reneging' on the wage cut. There was an agreement in place that should either side give notice of termination that his contract would revert to its full amount (as the club confirmed in a statment to the stock market after McCoist resigned).

Out of curiousity here, why should the onus be on McCoist to help the club out financially? We're making similar losses (c£14m) just now and I've ever seen anyone suggest that the die-hard Rangers men like Andy Halliday or Allan McGregor should be taking a pay cut to help the club out or that we should have cheaped out on the manager instead of hiring Gerrard to save a few quid.