brissybear

While I do agree, there has to be parity. Being called a h** doesnt enrage me, ive been called it by some of my mates for over 20 years. The same way I call them t****** bastards, although I never ever use the term Fenian or T***. If the same show had used the word fenian then there would have been uproar, there simply has to be parity.

Merry Xmas and have a safe one Bears!

There's the rub - the only people who'll get fucked will be the lifted and the club. Seems as though some things are more important than the club to some folk.

STOP! Aw aye, I'll be in the Main Front a baw-hair away from the work-shy ones. :unionflag: I'll be in Wellington in NZ, dont fly back to Brissy until the morning. Have it on Sky+ but need to switch the phone off.

No. Does that make me a handwringer? Yes, to plenty.

You obviously care more about hating Fenians than the club you proclaim to love. This would be a valid argument if the majority of our fans knew what a fenian was. A fenian is not Mark McGhee, the Pope, Tony Roper etc etc. Who gives a fuck about fenians? Im more worried about them winning 4IAR funnily enough, but eh, what do I know, Im just a handwringer! Well at least you know your place ! In the silent majority! What, handwringers are the silent majority now? If anything, they are the vocal minority It depends on your definition of what a handwringer is? I'll ask you a direct question, do you think its okay to wander about pished chanting FTP? Do you think that makes our support look like knuckledragging neandrathals or is it just freedom of speech and something you beleive we have a right to do? Its a no brainer. Its like when you are walking to Ibrox for the game, the vast majority just walk and sing the occasional traditional song like DW's. Then you will have your wee pockets of pond life piping up, pished on the bucky (as fans of all clubs do), the difference is some within our support want to defend this behaviour, as if its somehow traditional, when its not. Im sorry but TBB is gone. I would like to see it back, but with different words, my god, even words that contain the word "rangers" with no reference to fenians, popes, bobby sands etc, how refreshing would that be? Rangers FIRST!! :angry2:

You obviously care more about hating Fenians than the club you proclaim to love. This would be a valid argument if the majority of our fans knew what a fenian was. A fenian is not Mark McGhee, the Pope, Tony Roper etc etc. Who gives a fuck about fenians? Im more worried about them winning 4IAR funnily enough, but eh, what do I know, Im just a handwringer! Well at least you know your place ! In the silent majority!

You obviously care more about hating Fenians than the club you proclaim to love. This would be a valid argument if the majority of our fans knew what a fenian was. A fenian is not Mark McGhee, the Pope, Tony Roper etc etc. Who gives a fuck about fenians? Im more worried about them winning 4IAR funnily enough, but eh, what do I know, Im just a handwringer!

hi mate i have been saying this for a long time. all the want is the road to rome and any religion apart from the protestant one. Can ypu be any more fucking dramatic. Im not disgareeing with the scuma nd the war dead, but seriously, wake up. Religion is dying on its arse in this country. I really wonder how many of you boys that have King Billy and all the Uber prod stuff on your monkers etc, actually are christions who attend church? Put it this way, no religious perosn, true protestant would have wrote that original piece. You are fighting an imaginary war. Some of the platiks prods in our support beleive that by not being able to "Fuck the Pope" in public is all part of the religiouis war happening in the west of scotland. if you dont like religon then stay out of it, plus who said anything about king billy or ftp. but we are being overun by earls. why do you think the billy boys was banned, because uefa is full of earls, just like the police force, goverment, and media. and also i do attend church plus i dont go and commit crime like abusing kids, not like members of the catholic church and then attend confession and all is forgiven. So are you telling me that everyone involved in this fight is religious? I would bet that 90% + (Im being generous) are in no way connected to any church or have been since school or the BB. When a church of scotland minister comes out with this I shall listen. So you really think that we could go on singing TBB unchallenged in the year 2008? it was our main song, and while I may know what a fenian is, many many people including our own support dont know what a fenian is. Sweet jesus Ive seen everyone form Mark McGhee to Sepp Blatter being called a fenian by members of our own support so it doesnt wash. Since when were they irish rebel Fighters? There is a constructive debate to be had about the failings of the Church of Rome, most importantly in protecting peadophilles within thier organisation that should be addressed, but in an adult manner other than "dirty fenian papish blah blah". My point being, the folk on here, and any other Rangers site, with all thier 1690, King Billy monikers etc are not devout protestant but are simply fuelled by an obsession and hatred of all things Timmy. Not even up for debate. no wonder our club is a easy target with handwringers like yourself who want to be loved by everyone. as for king billy supporters, not one person brought that up, but while you are on about it our club were happy to take the money of all the king billy supporters for generations, plus the good protestant support who helped our club grow to be a massive club. Who wants us to be loved by everyone? Being a protestant doesnt mean you HATE everything about RC's, Irish etc. You know that. Ive been on radio defending the right for us to sing NON-OFFENSIVE traditional songs like The Sash and DW's. Although we all love to sing them the majority of bears go home and dont give a second thought about the battle of the boyne, 1690 etc. But snarling around catholic cities like Barcelona, Turin or Villareal, shouting FTP doesn not make you a traditional, protestant Rangers fan. Its makes you an arsehole.

Nail on head. Ultimately he is responsible. Motherwell away was a game we were screaming out for some fresh legs up front.

hi mate i have been saying this for a long time. all the want is the road to rome and any religion apart from the protestant one. Can ypu be any more fucking dramatic. Im not disgareeing with the scuma nd the war dead, but seriously, wake up. Religion is dying on its arse in this country. I really wonder how many of you boys that have King Billy and all the Uber prod stuff on your monkers etc, actually are christions who attend church? Put it this way, no religious perosn, true protestant would have wrote that original piece. You are fighting an imaginary war. Some of the platiks prods in our support beleive that by not being able to "Fuck the Pope" in public is all part of the religiouis war happening in the west of scotland. if you dont like religon then stay out of it, plus who said anything about king billy or ftp. but we are being overun by earls. why do you think the billy boys was banned, because uefa is full of earls, just like the police force, goverment, and media. and also i do attend church plus i dont go and commit crime like abusing kids, not like members of the catholic church and then attend confession and all is forgiven. So are you telling me that everyone involved in this fight is religious? I would bet that 90% + (Im being generous) are in no way connected to any church or have been since school or the BB. When a church of scotland minister comes out with this I shall listen. So you really think that we could go on singing TBB unchallenged in the year 2008? it was our main song, and while I may know what a fenian is, many many people including our own support dont know what a fenian is. Sweet jesus Ive seen everyone form Mark McGhee to Sepp Blatter being called a fenian by members of our own support so it doesnt wash. Since when were they irish rebel Fighters? There is a constructive debate to be had about the failings of the Church of Rome, most importantly in protecting peadophilles within thier organisation that should be addressed, but in an adult manner other than "dirty fenian papish blah blah". My point being, the folk on here, and any other Rangers site, with all thier 1690, King Billy monikers etc are not devout protestant but are simply fuelled by an obsession and hatred of all things Timmy. Not even up for debate.

hi mate i have been saying this for a long time. all the want is the road to rome and any religion apart from the protestant one. Can you be any more fucking dramatic. Im not disgareeing with the scum and the war dead, but seriously, wake up. Religion is dying on its arse in this country. I really wonder how many of you boys that have King Billy and all the Uber prod stuff on your monkers etc, actually are christians who attend church every sunday? Put it this way, no religious person, true protestant would have wrote that original piece. You are fighting an imaginary war. Some of the platiks prods in our support beleive that by not being able to "Fuck the Pope" in public is all part of the religiouis war happening in the west of scotland. Its not. Are we saying catholics should not be allowed places in goverment etc?? Yes there are some high brow anti-Rangers councillors in GCC but fuck off, there is no power struggle here. Its in your hate filled heads!

When WE are confident that makes me nervous. I think they will cause us more problems with Bougherra missing than we will them. If Davis doesnt perform forget it, we need him and Mendes to be at the top of thier game. Barry WILL be anonymous for most of the match as per usual. Unfortunatley Big lee or Adam WILL get the LM slot for at least 75 mins. Whittaker will be at RB. McGregeor is still in goals. Yep, Im oozing with confidence. Best we can hope for is a draw with this one I reckon.

Superb letter mate!

Got a draw written all over it. When we are all cocky thinking we have an easy win, we dont. When they are all cocky thinking they have an easy win, they dont. You can guarentee that. I get very nervous when we as a support start to get a bit overconfident. You would honestly think Tynecastle, love st, tannadice etc had never happend. Oh, and you can bet the mortgage on Big Lee or Adam coming back in at LM for they have the experience.

Id be happy if Boydy scored, too many getting a wee bit cocky with regards to Boydy on Satarday. Someone please remind me what exactly has Boydy ever done against the mhanks apart from that 1 goal in a meaningless match? I think he will score but I absoultely fear the worst with maloney and the greek against Wier and KB.

I agree. Obviously a complete moron. To the OP, this thread went well eh?

Yes, now its a world where we are just another club, no identity, no backbone, no leadership, no terraces to stand on, no freedom to sing, no fun. No thanks. So why do you bother still supporting Rangers? I gave up my season ticket about 3 years ago now, sick of the empty shell our club had become. Don't get me wrong, i have Rangers in my heart but its an unreciprocated love these days & i've got more respect for myself than to line SDMs pockets whilst he continues to disenfranchise me. Having followed Rangers long before Souness arrived and whilst we were utter pish for years, i think i'm entitled to say "NO" when i think i'm being shat on. One day i hope i'll be back at Ibrox, giving it laldy without fear of prosecution, watching players i can relate to. I won't be spoon fed shite & told its honey. You have my genuine pity. Glasgow Rangers was not created for the benefit of Protestants alone, although we have a protestant heritage. The mhnaks were set up for the benefit of mhnaks, we are different. We are a broad church. I want to take my children to see the Rangers in an atmosphere taht is not poisoned and polluted with an obsession and hatred that is embraced, much, much, MUCH more amongst certain members of our support than the love of thier own club. I want my kids to celebrate the traditions of the club if they so choose to, but to remember that the team on the park is the most important thing and to not give a flying fuck what some bitter , timmy obsessed dinasour might tell them different.

I dont like to see the name of Rangers dragged through the dirt and associated with words like "racism" etc... Im not saying its justified, but once again we've been taught a lesson in managing the media and the name of Rangers has been tarred again. When the song you're singing starts to damage the club you love I think thats a good time to drop it Regarding the Billy Boys, id say trying to resurrect it in a form where it'll be back for keeps and NOT harm the name of the club is hardly "rolling over and dying" Never singing it again because some suit in Geneva or whatever told us so - THAT is waving the white flag! You are saying it's not justified-well if that's the case why don't YOU stand up for what YOU believe in rather than thinking up lyrics to please 'some suit in Geneva'. By saying it's time to drop it is giving into the MOPE's-these people will never stop challenging our songs and beliefs so do we buckle every time-to me that is being dictated to by the media and nothing to do with managing the media. Then again,how can we expect the support to have balls when the heirarchy of the club don't! The "famine song" is no cause of any sort for the fans to get behind. Its just a joke. Other songs like the Sash or Derrys Walls are different, but they're safe so far and long may it continue. They would definitely be causes worth getting behind if they had serious attention from the pc brigade. But i dont think the famine song is worth getting our hands dirty over. new words to the TBB are not to please a suit in geneva, they're to please the THOUSANDS of Rangers fans desperate to roar out Hullo Hullo once more - ideally in the faces of unwashed at Ibrox - but are currently in total silence. Unless we change a few words, the echoes of that chant will never be heard again at Ibrox If the famine song is just a joke why did you stop singing it then-because you were TOLD it was offensive.As far as The Sash or Derry's Walls are concerned the key words are 'so far'-one day we may be TOLD that is also offensive in the 21st century,if so,is it time to buckle as the precedent is there already. While you are it, try and think up alternative words for No Pope of Rome-that one may prove a bit more difficult! I pray we never hear the words "No Pope of Rome' ever again. Belongs in a bygone era where bigots ruled the roost. Most of us have managed to scape our knuckles off the floor and drag ourselves into the 21st century, which wether you like it or not, is where the club belongs. Until we lose our obsession with Catholics, fenians etc we will become more and more isolated as a support and the club will suffer. No-one is talking about The Sash or Derrys Walls here, but the other garbage. No-one is saying we have to like the Pope, by all means the Church of Rome is an instituation rotten to the core that is worthy of scathing debate, but not on the terraces of Ibrox. the Queen and the royal family are hardly benchmarks for all things great are they? Most bears couldnt give a flying fuck about the Royal family, but you cant beat a bit of GSTQ to wind up the tranny army and the mhanks.

But still the press/spl/police etc. have twisted it and are saying it is, and have banned us from singing it. If we sing this version then everyone knows what we mean, but cant do one thing about it. It was a work of genius, unfortuantely it was sung at Noel hunt and has now became an excuse for some folk to ridicule an event wich killed over a million protestant and catholic Irish folk. The day we sung it at Noel Cunt was the day we lost the moral high ground. The only salvation for this song is to sing it at the mhanks ONLY. The minute you sing it at Irish nationals, not our weedgie plastik variety, then it crosses a line and becomes offensive. Anyone who argues differently has issues.

I know guys on FF who have been supporting Rangers for over 30 years who have been labelled a Tim for disagreeing with certain posters. Its the same faces talking the same shite over there day in day out.

Nail - head. mate, will you just fuck off? if my opinions are that bad stop coming on threads when i am discussing rangers with other adults. theres prob a junior teddy bears website where you and other kids can go on and talk about which players names you have on your shirt etc. it's been said already on here today you don't know anything about football so why don't you spend some time watching games and come back when you can discuss the game like an adult? your starting to bore me. we all have our heroes - mandela, ali, robert de niro, laudrup, baxter, cooper etc etc. in your case it's cleary boyd and that is great for you but if it tears you up inside to hear him taking stick maybe this isn't the forum for you? that was actually pretty funny. Still agree with mcboyd though. I agree with GSA to an extent. I dont hate Boyd, at 500,000 he has been extraordinary value for money. The problem is he is NOT the way forward unless he improves his all round game dramatically. Its a wierd thing to get your head round. Boyd potentially could always finish top scorer in the SPL yet we never win the league. Look at the game against the mhnaks, no boyd, by far the best performance of the season, goals shared around. We could hold the ball up, the midfield were mobile, dangerous and always in support. Now Boydy will score at home against the lesser teams all day until the cows come home. Its what he does to win us matches were he falls down. Yes he scored a cracking goal at Tannadice, but then what? What was the score? My point being he has to step up a gear and even score less to improve his allround game. I have a feeling this could be Boydies year where he starts winning us matches as oppsed tyo scoring 2 pens against the Falkirks and beleiving he is gods gift. This Sat and the 27th is the time Kris, just do it son! By the way GSA is spot on with his analysis of WS, we will never progress under him, anyone who thinks we will is deluded. look at the money spunked already. Mind he done this during 9IAR, but no-one noticed because we were winning everything.

Why are so many folk getting banned on FF these days? Its just not the same as it used to be.

Agree with the OP. WS got let off the hook last season because of Manchester. he has had the money and he is up against an ordinary mhank side. If he fails again this season he can GTF.

While I agree that the BBC is extremely biased against us, I dont think you make a valid point with regards to the sheep in Madrid. It was all over the news. If you are going to give examples make them valid, especially when emailing authorities etc. But overall I concur, there is definate bias, although the mhanks beleive passionately that the media protect us. Maybye its an OF thing.