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In the end this side of things will depend on whether or not certain officials will be willing to fall on their swords and take the blame and punishments while trying to keep the club clear of responsibility. I doubt if anybody on here has any thoughts other than that certain people face a prima facia case for fraud with the possibility of jail time if it was proven in court.
The refusal to answer FOI's is just the first step, we have already seen that a lot of documentation seems to either have been lost/removed or just not completed and it should be noted that this has not happened at just on organisation involved, it would seem to have happened at most simultaneously. I wonder what the odds are on that happening concerning documentation regarding contracts with one organisation and at least three civil bodies? Would I not be right in thinking there is a legal requirement for civil bodies to maintain the integrity of records involving the sort of sums that are involved here? The one thing I can confirm from personal experience is that EDC are a body that like completed paperwork from the lowest levels up, especially in he case of SLA's with external organisations.
I can only hope that when the shit does hit the fan that our club will be in a strong enough position to make it clear to the football authorities that if they don't hit "them" with the maximum penalties then our club will take court action to recover revenues lost due to the actions taken against it by the authorities before the club was cleared of any major wrong doings. Remember that officials past & present of "that" club have already sentenced their own by making demands that we should have titles & trophies stripped for financial doping which in their words was equal to match fixing.

Football Tax Havens has flushed out a big cellic fish on EDC. http://footballtaxha...lc-shareholder/
He has now updated his `interests` to include 500 cellic shares,which were not visible before!

I hear they're going to replace "You'll never walk alone" with "You've got to pick a pocket or two" from Oliver.

Norwegian club being investigated for possible breach of EU rules on state aid
http://www.uib.no/fg/konkurranse/82065/state-aid-and-football-clubs-%E2%80%93-playing-according-state-aid-rules
the clock is ticking for the scum they're next hopefully

He is back on twitter today m8

Actually. This looks good. It is the Scottish commissioner dealing with the FOI request that GCC denied and not the European Commissioner. If you read through this it seems to say that some informations or documents are so sensitive that they could prejudice the case agains GCC ie. guilty before being tried (remember RTC website). It seems GCC don't want certain things in the public domain at any cost and are using every loophole to delay the event. However they must disclose it to the EC and the UK Rep. I wonder if a decision has been reached and PZJ cannot spread the news or result as he has been asked to temporarily stand down so it can be officially released?
Remember how long the UEFA decision on fining them for the Feck UEFA banner took to get out into the MSM. They got informed of the decision by UEFA but the Scottish Press didn't publish it until a full month afterwards. So could be the same here.........
Patience is a virtue.

New update today on FTH surprise at the end where an MP was concerned not once but twice what was happening with the Lennoxtown Initiative
http://footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/what-was-the-celtic-service-level-agreement-when-services-were-undefined-level-of-performance-undefined-and-there-was-no-agreement/

Stop it you it is cruel to tease
Could have a blind bid thing where we all miraculously bid the same perhaps a tenner or so and then a random draw just for the fairness of it

It's what we used to do. I wish we still could, because it is a far better way.
Unfortunately, it turns out that PayPal don't allow you to use PayPal for raffles. Somehow they found out about ours and made us stop.
So it's tended to be auctions since then.

Fund Action! - Supporting RDF - RM Rangers Lotto Group
The Sponsors Fund has now bought another 2 tickets for the remainder of the Lotto Year (£42 each)
We also have two new Members who have signed up to play.
So that's another £168 paid to Rangers Development Fund
That brings our Lotto totals to:
Total Weekly tickets in play: 12
Fund tickets - 4
Individual members tickets - 8
Total Lotto Funds raised for RDF to date:
£540.

This season, we're going to try to keep a note of all the various good deeds our Fund Members do throughout the season, for each other, for the Fund, for the Club and for our chosen charities, as well as any good fortune that comes our way.
I've already forgotten a couple of things, but I've managed to remember one or two, and I'll try to remember to add to it whenever any Good Deeds or Good Fortune arise.
PS - "Show us the Deeds!" - there' I've said it - no need for you to post it now.

Fund Members' Good Deeds & Good Fortune - 2014/2015

Good Deed! - Fund member Donation - Memorabilia for the RM Football Memories Programme (Erskine):
eckthebear - RM's Resident match programme expert, has donated a large collection of excellent match programmes as well as magazines from the War and from the 1940s and 50s. These items are wonderfully suited for use in the RM Erskine Football Memories Programme. (Erskine have a dementia therapy programme using old football programmes and photos etc to help elicit memories of happier times. The Fund provides as much material as we can get our hands on to support this programme.)
Carol and Colin from Erskine were delighted with the quality (and relevance) of the material and send their thanks to the Fund Members once again.
There will be more info on this (including all the photos) once we launch this season's Erskine thread.

Thanks to eckthebear for a major contribution worth far more to Erskine for their therapy value than their considerable cash value.

Sirglugalot - "The financial doping theory is good.... But then can it be proved that said monies was used to buy players?
If so then there is definitely a case to answer"
C****c had borrowed from the Co-op Bank, the land was used as security on the loans, the money from the loans bankrolled Martin O'Neil's purchases. If they are to argue against that they would have to disclose where the Co-op money went if not on the team, and where the additional funds came from that was spent on the team. The fact is even if a proportion of the money sourced by using the land as security was used on the team it still constitutes financial doping through illegal state aid. Don't forget it was they themselves who described financial doping as being on a par with match fixing.

Update:-
Still no reply to my second email to Jo Swinson. I will give it another week and contact her again.

Tweet from PZJ
john stevens @pzj_1 · 26m
have a meeting with a member of parliament who wants answers to the state aid allegations as a matter of priority.

I do believe the bheasts will be found guilty of recieving state aid but we've got to remember they are the masters of deny and deflection and all the bad PR will be projected on GCC.
The mhedia will also assist their case as even when they need to pay money back this will be spun as football being the loser.
If this does stick I would like to think GCC will be further investigated and held to account by the Scottish government but I won't hold my breath.

Never in doubt, fucking Giant Killers, Ally must stay :7325:

I have received a reply from Jo Swinson MP
Dear Mr *******,
Thank you for your email, and please do accept my apologies for the delay in mine.
I have written to the Council to ask for details of the agreement, and I will let you know of the response I receive. If you want to submit a Freedom of Information request, details of how to do so can be found here: http://www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk/content/law_and_licensing/data_protection,_freedom_of_in/freedom_of_information_act/freedom_of_information.aspx
Do let me know if there is anything else I can assist with.
Yours sincerely,
Jo Swinson MP

john stevens ‏@pzj_1
certain individuals, don't like being mentioned on the football tax havens, and begging that their names be removed
In one of his other tweets he says not a chance names will be removed

Doing my bit for the cause!
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I am not sure how the scum can slither out, the same day cheap land was bought they have a mortgage in place for many times the value, that surely cannot be right.

Those two weren't real good at subterfuge, were they? I could just about read the label stuck on their nut from here that said: "Aw right boysz..Ahm a tarrier"

WESTHORN TIMELINE by PZJ
1965 and 1987 – The now Glasgow City Council (GCC) commissioned Site Investigations at Westhorn, possibly with a view to establishing the extent of any mining below ground level. Our investigations have shown that there were some 39 boreholes carried out in total. Information was gained from the British Geological Survey. At the time, there would have been full records of soil strength capacity, possible test results on contamination levels, a factual report and an interpretative report, amongst other things. Such ground conditions do not alter over time unless disturbed. Bores were taken to depths in excess of 40m below ground level. Therefore, it would have been prudent for GCC to have archived these expensive reports and records for future use. To do otherwise, would be reckless and foolhardy. It seems, however, that when Celtic plc (CFC) wished to purchase the land at Westhorn, these records had either been discarded, or at best, overlooked.
I wonder if the European Commissioner has requested sight of these. It has been made known to him/her in earlier correspondence.
If they had, they would surely have found that there were no problems regarding issues of contamination or geotechnical, or even mining.
We have recently been made aware, from the EC, that only one Geotechnical Report has been made available, and which was instrumental in CFC agreeing a purchase price with GCC in 2009, and which also contained details of ‘abnormals.’ This information on abnormals has been used to reduce the selling price to a preposterously low level.
Incidentally, the Geotechnical Report was commissioned and possibly paid for, by CFC. Normally that would render sight of the document nigh impossible without the permission of CFC. However, it could now be strongly argued that this document is now technically in the public domain and could therefore be deemed to be public property.
It would be of interest to find out the content of this report, and as to whom compiled the report on behalf of CFC, as we are well aware that there were no abnormals present of any significance.
1991 – A Planning Application was submitted by CFC for extension and alterations to changing rooms etc. adjacent to Belvidere Hospital grounds.
It is noted that there were no restrictions. In 1991 there was no requirement to consult with the HSE.
2001 – CFC put forward a Planning Application whilst leasing the ground from GCC, to construct training pitches, facilities and car parking. There was no Environmental Impact Assessment requested, indicating that there was no reason to suspect that the ground contained contaminants. The link below takes us to the On Line Planning System of GCC.
https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=0100087DC
There is little posted on line, probably due to the age of the Application. An appointment was made with GCC to view these documents, along with another four. Only three were available. On further application, GCC informed me that the above Application had been removed from file by persons unknown, and not returned.
It should be of interest to the public and the EC that these documents have gone missing. One possible reason could be that there was no mention of any abnormals within the lands, and no mention of a ‘Blast Zone.’
2002 – A Planning Application was made by a neighbour for construction of a portable building. The Application was approved with Conditions (not at all onerous). Application No. 02/00079/DC.
It is noted that there were no other restrictions. In 2002, the HSE placed a 500m Consultation Dimension (CD) around Dewars, neighbouring Westhorn whilst risks were being assessed. This information is/was also held by the Planning Authority, as they should have consulted with the applicant and the HSE to ensure a suitable development would be constructed within this particular CD. There was no consultation.
A further Planning Application was made that year to carry out alterations to a property contiguous to Dewars; link below.
The documents for 0200984/DC were available for collection, as there were few attachments.
https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=0200984DC
The Application was for a new yard, new office extension and new cladding to an existing warehouse.
It is noted that there were no restrictions, despite there being a 500m CD set by the HSE around Dewars in 2002. Strange that, when Celtic purchased Westhorn a few years later, the price was based on that set by the District Valuer in 2004, and that a ‘blast zone’ appeared along with other allegations of ‘abnormals’ amounting to a reduction in price of some £3.5M.
2004 – CFC commissioned a geotechnical report as part of their process to purchase the land at Westhorn from GCC. The report was passed to GCC. The District Valuer was commissioned to value the site.
As stated above, there was an Interim Consultation Dimension (CD) in place at that time, set by the HSE in consultation with the GCC Planning Department, of some 500m around the Dewars site. That 500m would have taken in the whole of the Westhorn site, and more. However, GCC state that they valued approximately half of the land as being worthless; as being within a ‘blast zone’ which was previously unknown. The Planning Dept. of GCC should have been well aware of any zone around Dewars considering their involvement along with the HSE.
Strange that, when the whole area was actually encompassed by this fictitious blast zone.
2005 – A three-zone CD was set up around Dewars by the HSE in consultation with GCC.
2009 – A contract was put in place (which was previously an ‘Option to Buy’ clause which gave CFC sole rights to the ground should they ever wish to make the purchase). In this year, the three-zone CD was in place, as above.
It is of note that the extreme zone only encompassed some 23% of the Westhorn land, yet GCC and CFC agreed a reduction of almost 50% of the area (as it had no worth, according to both parties).
That ‘assumption’ is wholly incorrect, as the whole of the land has value. The 23% is also of great worth. The only restriction placed upon the area by the HSE is that the density of population of any building(s) whether temporary or permanent, is restricted potentially rendering the value a little less than the remainder of the area; but not worthless.
It should be noted here that a Planning Application was not made, therefore the parties involved in the transaction would not necessarily have been aware of the CD in place. In other words, there would have been no reason not to value the WHOLE area of the land (13.5 acres) nor would there have been any known reason to make any deduction for ‘abnormals.’
It is hereafter well documented that GCC sold the land at Westhorn to CFC commencing at a value which was initially depressed, and which was further dramatically reduced by fictitious abnormals, to a paltry sum of £675,000.00 for 13.5 acres of prime construction land; thus depriving the citizens of Glasgow and the Taxpayer of several millions of pounds; given instead to a Football Club as State Aid.
That same day, a charge was placed upon the land by the Coop Bank, as security on substantial loans.
It would be of great interest to the Taxpayer, the Citizens of Glasgow and the EU Commissioner, as to the value placed upon that land. £675,000? I think not!

Soulboy - "was it not the minutes of meeting Margaret curran attended on behalf of the scum with WOSHA"
Could well b mate, just remembered there had been something to do with missing minutes.
The SFA/SPFL have a real problem brewing with this, as a previous poster said if they don't hit them hard if found guilty it would look corrupt in comparison to how we were treated. It could well end up with a claim for damages from our club and its shareholders. The other thing is the suspicion that the now frequent rewrites of the rule books are being structured so that any punishment on them would be minimised, but as senior officials and lawyers who are linked to c****c have been involved in these rewrites it would be highly unlikely that they would stand up under a legal challenge. If anything they could both end up being landed with an investigation for participating in corruption along with the club involved. Only one thing is sure though, this isn't going to be swept under the carpet and go away thanks to folk like PZJ and the VB's.

even if we win it seems

If they lose the Europa League play off game then they have to play Jedward to see who represents Ireland in the Eurovision song contest