minstral 5,375 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It worries me that we are not closing down teams and letting them advance towards our goal without tackles going in. Last night we were letting them pass the ball about without many tackles going in. You will only get away with it so often, and will not keep getting away with it agains the top teams. Was still a fantastic result and i think we could have beat them by 3 or 4 goals if we had pressed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,263 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Agreed minstral however 'pressing on' not wattie's style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It is the problem with playing that style.You have to remain so disciplined for 90 minutes that is will be hard to keep up as the tournament progresses. I would enjoy it for now though and hope we can avoid our traditional drop off as the group progresses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,332 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Christ minstral! your topic headline nearly gave me palpitations....I thought we were going into administration or something. I agree with you 100% though, and I've been saying this for years.I guess me and Wattie are just different style coaches,as I like to make the opposition defend so they can't attack, if possible.But then again, we got the victory in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogbg 20 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It's kind of the point of this system though, isn't it? If you press high up then you give them the chance to get behind you. If you stand off and drop back then they have to either find a way through or go out wide, where they meet your back 5.Not saying I disagree with you, but we would have to play a different system to be pressing high up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitzer007 198 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It's kind of the point of this system though, isn't it? If you press high up then you give them the chance to get behind you. If you stand off and drop back then they have to either find a way through or go out wide, where they meet your back 5.Not saying I disagree with you, but we would have to play a different system to be pressing high up.Agreed. I thought last year we pressed all over the pitch and were left horribly exposed. Think he has the mix right for now. There is gonna be plenty of scarey moments but it's working for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,816 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 When you play that formation, you allow the opposition time and as soon as they hit about 35 yards out you swarm them as we have done. When we are behind the ball and 1 guy is running forward we allow him to have it, he cant do anything with it. No passes are and all bases are covered so to speak. We get 10 behind the ball and that is incredibly hard to break down, no matter how good you are, even wee Messi couldnt do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkgers 3 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 They were there for the taking in the first 30 mins, after that we let them dictate much of the play which was disappointing and could of cost us dearly! A 2nd goal would of really raised the crowd and we could of pushed on from there for more goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff 245 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Closing down and ball retention are a worry for me when we play that formation and tactics. We couldn't keep a hold of the ball (2nd half), gave it away too easily, allowed the opposition onto us - gave them far too much space and time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 I think that was a tactic Walter had, to keep that space in the 'hole' as small as possible. I think that's were Bursaspor are at the best, so he let their deep midfielders run at 9 blue jerseys and then look for a pass that was near impossible. It worked well, you could see Edu and McCulloch itching to do it as the fans were getting frustrated with that Insua running at us and us standing off. But in the end it didn't cause many problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted September 30, 2010 Author Share Posted September 30, 2010 When you play that formation, you allow the opposition time and as soon as they hit about 35 yards out you swarm them as we have done. When we are behind the ball and 1 guy is running forward we allow him to have it, he cant do anything with it. No passes are and all bases are covered so to speak. We get 10 behind the ball and that is incredibly hard to break down, no matter how good you are, even wee Messi couldnt do it So why is our record in Europe so poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,816 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 So why is our record in Europe so poor.Minst we changed how we play last year from the previous 2 years. Kaunas aside since WS came back our record aint bad, i just posted in another thread that they say we hadnt won in 13 games but we had won on away goals and pk's so unless we arent counting winning as winning then it isnt bad.We were last 16 of the Uefa cup - lost to Osasuna and then finalists, then Kaunas and last years debacle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie2909 21 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It worries me that we are not closing down teams and letting them advance towards our goal without tackles going in. Last night we were letting them pass the ball about without many tackles going in. You will only get away with it so often, and will not keep getting away with it agains the top teams. Was still a fantastic result and i think we could have beat them by 3 or 4 goals if we had pressed on.Agreed and alsowhen the opposition had corners we had everyone back in the box including Miller which meant if we cleared it they got it back straight away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddrock 107 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 It worries me that we are not closing down teams and letting them advance towards our goal without tackles going in. Last night we were letting them pass the ball about without many tackles going in. You will only get away with it so often, and will not keep getting away with it agains the top teams. Was still a fantastic result and i think we could have beat them by 3 or 4 goals if we had pressed on.It must be us auld yins Minst , wiz thinking the same during the game , something I thought Big Lee would have done more of , Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 619 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 the only time we tried to close them down early gave them a chance to score with Edu charging at the guy on the half way line and totally selling himself , we are not good enough to close teams down as we tend to have 2 or 3 following the same ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ShadesofBlue 667 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 You can see Walter has told the team to take stance in front of the box/final third and then press when they reach the final third of the pitch. It worked well against Man U and gave them very little space. I couldn't care less if it is defensive and not exciting football. The fact that we're gaining points, earning money and being successful is my monies worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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