bbear924 1 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Oh and by 'default' most Tic supporters are also British as are most SPL team fans and Man U fans etc etc.They may be classed as "British" by virtue of the fact that they were born here or their parents emigrated here for a better quality of life but our Ulster Brethern form the "keystone" of our United Kingdom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbear924 1 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 View Postdukestreetsoup, on 12 August 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:Do we need new songwriters or have you no idea what most of our songs are about?We need new songwriters!There is nothing wrong with our songs that I can see apart from "Add-ons" that demean them.What type of new songwriters have you in mind, Jacobite folklore specialists? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiadreamin52 339 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 View Postdukestreetsoup, on 12 August 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:Do we need new songwriters or have you no idea what most of our songs are about?What type of new songwriters have you in mind, Jacobite folklore specialists?Sorry Robert Burns is deceased Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 it goes all the way back to the potato famine. When the irish came over here the fenians were moved to the east of glasgow and the good guys to the south. Naturally they started following the team closest to them. Affinity to a team stays with you for life, so when the went home they still had the Rangers in their hearts and they were welcomed by their scottish friends, meaning their children were naturally gonae support the team their dads did through every generation and still does till this day. Without the connection with our orange brothers from across the sea, the old firm rivalry wouldnt be anywhere near as intense. Everything i wrote above can be said by THEM and still be true. So i suppose the OP is correct - our links with Ulster is as important as being Scottish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanTeddy 763 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Always been interesting why so many in our support play down our (their) Scottishness and yet seem so desperate to play up the link between the club and Ulster. You know the scene, Lanarkshire born and bred but come to games in a NI top and King Billy scarf. Our roots are as a Scottish club and are far far greater than any link to NI, always have been, always will.Certainly welcome the support from NI, and fortunate enough to know a lot of the lads that come across personally. But always cringe at the Scots pretending to be Northern Irish - then again, so do most of the Ulster lads that I know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Always been interesting why so many in our support play down our (their) Scottishness and yet seem so desperate to play up the link between the club and Ulster. You know the scene, Lanarkshire born and bred but come to games in a NI top and King Billy scarf. Our roots are as a Scottish club and are far far greater than any link to NI, always have been, always will.Certainly welcome the support from NI, and fortunate enough to know a lot of the lads that come across personally. But always cringe at the Scots pretending to be Northern Irish - then again, so do most of the Ulster lads that I know!i think its more to do with us showing our friendship with the Ulster boys rather than thinking we're from NI. I wear stuff with the red hand and other Ulster ragalia, but i certinly know i'm a Scotsman and nothing other. I liking for the boys who travel over here every week to see the Rangers and like to show my appreciation to their support for our club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norgerpd 280 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 View Postdukestreetsoup, on 12 August 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:Do we need new songwriters or have you no idea what most of our songs are about?There is nothing wrong with our songs that I can see apart from "Add-ons" that demean them.What type of new songwriters have you in mind, Jacobite folklore specialists?Nah.Songs about my football club,please.No mention of the Queen(always thought these references were particularly ridiculous,though maybe she does check our score on a saturday eve!),no mention of battles of yore,no mention of Brittania ruling etc(the only plus to these songs are the wind-up factor,especially in Sheepland).We are,officially,the most successful team in the world.We have so much to sing about on the field of play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncy 315 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 why ask? am sure this topic has been debated Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben10 2,294 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The links to Ulster are merely to offend the supporters of Sex Pest FC. :lol: Do your research before you post nonsense like that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben10 2,294 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I'm sure a lot of them came over to work in the Govan shipyards and that's how their love for the Rangers was born. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 it goes all the way back to the potato famine. When the irish came over here the fenians were moved to the east of glasgow and the good guys to the south. Naturally they started following the team closest to them. Affinity to a team stays with you for life, so when the went home they still had the Rangers in their hearts and they were welcomed by their scottish friends, meaning their children were naturally gonae support the team their dads did through every generation and still does till this day. Without the connection with our orange brothers from across the sea, the old firm rivalry wouldnt be anywhere near as intense. Everything i wrote above can be said by THEM and still be true. So i suppose the OP is correct - our links with Ulster is as important as being Scottish.The Rangers did not exist during the famine.When they did start up they played in the East End....So that was a fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I think it's fair to say that you cannot underestimate the influence that the opening of the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Glasgow had, with the many Ulster Scots migrants back to Scotland that the industry attracted. This happened in 1912, and it really laid a cornerstone for the Ulster support of Rangers, as Rangers were the local team, and they had started to become reasonably successful, and the other side of the city was a team that was an antithesis to the ideals of the many migrants. It really galvanised Rangers into a bastion of Protestantism within Scotland. That really was the turning point in my opinion, that we started to evolve as an institution that was more than just a football club.1912, also the year of The Ulster Covenant, the foundation of The Ulster Volunteers and Sir John Ure Primrose becoming Chairman of The Rangers..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Nah.Songs about my football club,please.No mention of the Queen(always thought these references were particularly ridiculous,though maybe she does check our score on a saturday eve!),no mention of battles of yore,no mention of Brittania ruling etc(the only plus to these songs are the wind-up factor,especially in Sheepland).We are,officially,the most successful team in the world.We have so much to sing about on the field of play.Well you just start up your own approved song list, good luck with that.And there is no such thing as the 'official' most successful team in the world, but well imagined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I think it's fair to say that you cannot underestimate the influence that the opening of the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Glasgow had, with the many Ulster Scots migrants back to Scotland that the industry attracted. This happened in 1912, and it really laid a cornerstone for the Ulster support of Rangers, as Rangers were the local team, and they had started to become reasonably successful, and the other side of the city was a team that was an antithesis to the ideals of the many migrants. It really galvanised Rangers into a bastion of Protestantism within Scotland. That really was the turning point in my opinion, that we started to evolve as an institution that was more than just a football club.There were other factors of course, but that period of history and The Rangers location close to the Clydeside yards is a major factor in a relationship that has not only stood the test of time, but also fostered brotherhood for decades.Something to be proud of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 why ask? am sure this topic has been debatedYou might be shocked to learn that people frequently ask very similar questions. Amazingly, the answers can also be similar. Or, indeed, very different.It's almost like an internet forum in that respect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbear924 1 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 norgerpd, on 13 August 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:We need new songwriters!---------There is nothing wrong with our songs that I can see apart from "Add-ons" that demean them.What type of new songwriters have you in mind, Jacobite folklore specialists?---------Sorry Robert Burns is deceasedI am not sure where you are coming from with your introduction of Robert Burns into this thread. I hope you are not suggesting that he had any affiliation with the Jacobite cause. Quite the opposite in fact as our National Bard was very much a Protestant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbear924 1 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Always been interesting why so many in our support play down our (their) Scottishness and yet seem so desperate to play up the link between the club and Ulster.---------Well you might also be interested to know that my loyalty lies first and foremost with the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland comes second.--------- You know the scene, Lanarkshire born and bred but come to games in a NI top and King Billy scarf. Our roots are as a Scottish club and are far far greater than any link to NI, always have been, always will.Never have been and never will be as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbear924 1 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Nah.Songs about my football club,please.No mention of the Queen(always thought these references were particularly ridiculous,though maybe she does check our score on a saturday eve!),no mention of battles of yore,no mention of Brittania ruling etc(the only plus to these songs are the wind-up factor,especially in Sheepland).We are,officially,the most successful team in the world.We have so much to sing about on the field of play.Is there any particular reason you think our songs are a wind up factor in "Sheepland" as you call it but you make no mention of "Taigland" in the same vein.Can you not bring yourself to say it!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Looking back at the history of our club its clear the links between Rangers and Northern Ireland span back a good number of years.Now an integral part of our club, ulstermen and the Crown are as part of our identity as being a Scottish. Rangers fans are by default British. The Monarchy rule us all and that is happily accepted by myself and the vast majority of our fans.The link is obvious and visible to most of us who hold our club dear but when looking at the history there is a blur between our rise as a European power and the increased support from across the water. Im just interested in when/where the ulster tie began and why its so important to our identity. All comments welcome.http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=96139 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The Rangers did not exist during the famine.When they did start up they played in the East End....So that was a fail.i never said Rangers existed before the famine, i said the protestants were in the south of glasgow. Rangers played in the east end? I suggest a wee trip on the founders trail. FAIL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcheVinny 1,003 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=96139I bet that took some digging out! Repost the whole thing in this thread for the thousands of users that haven't had the pleasure of reading it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 i never said Rangers existed before the famineNeither did I. Rangers played in the east end? Whereabouts in the City do you think Fleshers Haugh is?I suggest a wee trip on the founders trail. Been on it.Twice.I liked the bit where we saw where RFC first played. That would be to the East of the centre, for the hard of thinking.FAILI would ask how you reached that conclusion, but I won't.The decision making processes of morons don't really interest me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Neither did I.Whereabouts in the City do you think Fleshers Haugh is?Been on it.Twice.I liked the bit where we saw where RFC first played. That would be to the East of the centre, for the hard of thinking.I would ask how you reached that conclusion, but I won't.The decision making processes of morons don't really interest me. Glasgow green is in the south. Google 'the gallant pioneers' theres a whole site dedicated to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukestreetsoup 69 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 i never said Rangers existed before the famine, i said the protestants were in the south of glasgow. Rangers played in the east end? I suggest a wee trip on the founders trail. FAILOh dear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukestreetsoup 69 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Glasgow green is in the south. Google 'the gallant pioneers' theres a whole site dedicated to it.Glasgow Green is in the EAST END. NORTH of the river. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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