TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 What are people opinions on the viability of such a scheme?Say for arguments sake a rich businessman bought up 51% of the shares in RIFC Plc and gifted them to the fans.Basing it on Bayern Munich's scheme (They have around 130,000 member):Annual Cost: Adult- £50OAP/U18's - £2518-25 year old's - £35Benefits:Match-day programme posted out before each home gameRangers Monthly magazine posted out each monthAbility to buy a STPlastic membership card with photo10% off match ticketsGet to vote in half of the board of RIFC Plc (Don't know if its voted annually or every 2 years)Priority to buy match tickets before public saleCan join the away ticket scheme (Possibly could be added in)Personally I think we could get up to 80,000 members pretty quickly, would also give the fans a massive say in how the club is run, and would involve the fans more via the programmes and magazine. Only problem is acquiring 51% of the club in the first place.Anyone think this couldn't work in Scotland? Why not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,883 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I don't see why this wouldn't work.But you know the SFA would NEVER allow it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 I don't think that it would bring in a massive amount of extra revenue, but it would give the fans the greatest possibly say in the running of the club (more so than the fans owning the majority of the shares in small amounts), and would involve the fans much more with the running of the club.Along with avoiding any possibly Whyte situation again.I seen on the BBC yesterday that half of English clubs have had an insolvency event in the last 20 years, not one German club has had an insolvency event in the same period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimgers 565 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I would buy into a membership scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,883 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 It is certainly a good way to safeguard the club from insolvency events. I would buy into a scheme too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Alien concept here, wouldn't work. Can you imagine if certain groups or people got involved in running it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho_nacho_man 477 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I like the idea - just read a few of your later comments which address my potential concern (that and I've been drinking!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Alien concept here, wouldn't work. Can you imagine if certain groups or people got involved in running it. Kafflicks ye mean then ED Yer good auld Glesga banters back Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Kafflicks ye mean then ED Yer good auld Glesga banters back I was thinking about the enemy within Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I was thinking about the enemy within as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason boyne 40 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Alien concept here, wouldn't work. Can you imagine if certain groups or people got involved in running it.Especially women, and the infiltration from the eastenders, widny work Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 No but he was a member Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Alien concept here, wouldn't work. Can you imagine if certain groups or people got involved in running it.Half the board would be voted in by a majority of members after an election. No one would be involved in 'running it' unless they were voted in.Can you give reasons why it wouldn't work? or are you just going to dismiss it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
savenosouls 97 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I understand your sentiment - should have been thought about around the time of the share issue - I think having to pay £50 just to have the right to buy a season ticket is a bit steep - not much incentive to buy one if you are getting 10% of a normal match ticket!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 What are people opinions on the viability of such a scheme?Say for arguments sake a rich businessman bought up 51% of the shares in RIFC Plc and gifted them to the fans.Basing it on Bayern Munich's scheme (They have around 130,000 member):Annual Cost: Adult- £50OAP/U18's - £2518-25 year old's - £35Benefits:Match-day programme posted out before each home gameRangers Monthly magazine posted out each monthAbility to buy a STPlastic membership card with photo10% off match ticketsGet to vote in half of the board of RIFC Plc (Don't know if its voted annually or every 2 years)Priority to buy match tickets before public saleCan join the away ticket scheme (Possibly could be added in)Personally I think we could get up to 80,000 members pretty quickly, would also give the fans a massive say in how the club is run, and would involve the fans more via the programmes and magazine. Only problem is acquiring 51% of the club in the first place.Anyone think this couldn't work in Scotland? Why not?I think it would work - but the other thing about German football is all the teams worked together to make the whole game attractive to the majority of the fans and in particular to NOT disenfranchise the male youths - so while the membership scheme could work (based on said mystery benefactor) the rest of what German football did would find a good few barriers I am afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs1982 22 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 How about, rather than waiting for a rich business man to gift 51% of shares, one of the supporters club sets up the scheme and the first 5/6 years the membership fee goes towards acquiring those shares then afterwards the scheme can run properly as described in OP? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Half the board would be voted in by a majority of members after an election.No one would be involved in 'running it' unless they were voted in.Can you give reasons why it wouldn't work? or are you just going to dismiss it?No , think I said that being an alien concept here it would never take off, plus too much distrust with certain minor fans groups who would cause problems. plus the 51% would put the downer on it, lets not kid ourselves if the club got on a really strong financial basis someone would sniff about to gather the 51% for themselves, it would be anarchy trying to get fans together to start a scheme t even look at gaining financial clout to do something.Far too many small groups that would never come together the minority that is rst already think they are the voice of the fans they would have to be done away with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khancat 8 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 We can't get 100K punters to sign the e-mail petition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I like the concept mate and I would get involved but the thing is you do need a wealthy guy or two to underwrite it to begin with at least and it seems they are in short supply or at least in terms of wanting to invest in us! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 I think it would work - but the other thing about German football is all the teams worked together to make the whole game attractive to the majority of the fans and in particular to NOT disenfranchise the male youths - so while the membership scheme could work (based on said mystery benefactor) the rest of what German football did would find a good few barriers I am afraid.Strange things about German football games I'v been to: Much more women, groups of girls in their late teens/20's and couples strangely.Most Scottish teams fans seem to be dominated by middle aged bald men and young men/boys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 We can't get 100K punters to sign the e-mail petition.But we have got 100,000+ registered supporters who have attended a game in the last 24 months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Strange things about German football games I'v been to: Much more women, groups of girls in their late teens/20's and couples strangely.Most Scottish teams fans seem to be dominated by middle aged bald men and young men/boys.Agreed - and again German football went out of its way to make the whole game more accomodating - and look at their crowds - very healthy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 I like the concept mate and I would get involved but the thing is you do need a wealthy guy or two to underwrite it to begin with at least and it seems they are in short supply or at least in terms of wanting to invest in us!Exactly, it simply wont happen if we set up a membership scheme to acquire shares.It would need to own the shares in full before we started recruiting members or it simply wouldn't work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFarmer 260 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Agreed - and again German football went out of its way to make the whole game more accommodating - and look at their crowds - very healthy!Was strange the amount of females, young an old who were in with the ultras especially.there seems to be a totally different demographic of supporter out there, from experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Was strange the amount of females, young an old who were in with the ultras especially.there seems to be a totally different demographic of supporter out there, from experience.went to a few games about 15 years ago - lots of trouble, poor crowds - went to two similar games in the last year - crowd had changed, attitudes had changed, there was excitment, large vocal crowds and fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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