OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Inspired by D'Artagnan's thread(http://forum.rangers...howtopic=253397) on our unprecedented mistreatment including possible blackmail, extortion, theft of monies (due to either us or oldco and therefore the ofr-quoted hard-done-by creditors) and removal of presumption of innocence, could the RFFF, funds permitting, fund either an investigation or a case against the SPL and SFA?By doing this under the remit of the RFFF, it would avoid the possibility of the club itself being held responsible. This immunity from effect for both the club and RFFF, could put serious pressure upon the authorities, forcing some statement of admission, understanding or even apology. If not, pursuing such action may bring its own reward by uncovering information or gaining a result in the courts.Would you support such an action and would you back it financially if necessary? It's a double affirmative for me on these points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Who would you put in charge of such an investigation ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry739 267 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Although I agree that this would be a good idea, if I remember correctly, extortion and blackmail are criminal acts. This being the case, surely both the SFA and SPL should be investigated by Police Scotland and, if the investigation produces enough evidence, then one or both organisations should be taken through the courts by the Police Service.If I'm not mistaken, If a complaint is made to the police should they not then investigate the said complaint?Might we not be better using the RFFF money in this direction, and if the police do not behave in a satisfactory manner, then report them to Her Majesty's Inspectorate Of Constabulary for Scotland.Does anybody think this might be an idea? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry739 267 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Sorry, Oleg, forgot to say that I would be prepared to contribute financially if we went down the road you have suggested.Cheers mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Who would you put in charge of such an investigation ??Good question.I'd go down a similar route to that of the board through suitable professionals from respected companies such as Deloitte and Touche. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Although I agree that this would be a good idea, if I remember correctly, extortion and blackmail are criminal acts. This being the case, surely both the SFA and SPL should be investigated by Police Scotland and, if the investigation produces enough evidence, then one or both organisations should be taken through the courts by the Police Service.If I'm not mistaken, If a complaint is made to the police should they not then investigate the said complaint?Might we not be better using the RFFF money in this direction, and if the police do not behave in a satisfactory manner, then report them to Her Majesty's Inspectorate Of Constabulary for Scotland.Does anybody think this might be an idea?Do we currently have enough information to make such an allegation to the police? On the surface, blackmail seems to have been a possibility but would it merit police action? I'm unsure either way.So perhaps such an investigation would lead to a more solid complaint of blackmail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,512 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'm thinking the victim (club) would need to make the police complaint. Not site if shareholders could instigate this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'm thinking the victim (club) would need to make the police complaint. Not site if shareholders could instigate this.Not necessarily. Forgive the bad analogy, but if it was only up to a victim to make the complaint, there would be no prosecutions for murder, ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alnic3856 358 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Although I agree that this would be a good idea, if I remember correctly, extortion and blackmail are criminal acts. This being the case, surely both the SFA and SPL should be investigated by Police Scotland and, if the investigation produces enough evidence, then one or both organisations should be taken through the courts by the Police Service.If I'm not mistaken, If a complaint is made to the police should they not then investigate the said complaint?Might we not be better using the RFFF money in this direction, and if the police do not behave in a satisfactory manner, then report them to Her Majesty's Inspectorate Of Constabulary for Scotland.Does anybody think this might be an idea?You've taken that too far! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not necessarily. Forgive the bad analogy, but if it was only up to a victim to make the complaint, there would be no prosecutions for murder, ever.Game, set and match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldierBlue1 499 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Limited financially as I'm a war pensioner. But I will support any action taken against those crooks. WATP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry739 267 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 You've taken that too far!Don't understand, Alnic, in what way 'too far'? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Who would you put in charge of such an investigation ?? harper macleod are pretty good at paper gathering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,512 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not necessarily. Forgive the bad analogy, but if it was only up to a victim to make the complaint, there would be no prosecutions for murder, ever.In murder the body is the evidence but it's seems our club are not releasing/leaking the evidence we need (possibly the 5 way agreement). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Good idea, not sure how expensive something like this would be but would be great to put those cunts in their placeIf our club are already on bended knees ready to kiss the authorities arse they may not welcome it though.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimgers 565 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I put a few bangers the RFFF's way and would do again if they would only actually fight some cant. Even if it was only to send a telegram to Harper McLeod saying "f@ck you suck my dick" love WATP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviecooper01 826 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 As others have said, no private prosecution of the SFA or SPL is going to happen. A criminal prosecution would only happen if the PF thought that any Police evidence & case submitted was strong enough to warrant such a prosecution.A short while ago, people were asking if the RFFF could fund a civil case on behalf of season ticket holders against the SFL / SPL / SFA if the proposed reconstruction had gone through with us going into tier 3 of 18 teams. This was based on some "loss" having been suffered by the ST holders as they had bought into a possibility of promotion.In that case, as in the one raised by the OP, such a case is only possible by those involved in the contract - ie the club & the SFL in my analogy, or in the OP case, the club & the SPL / SFA.In a civil case, there is a damage amount being claimed - how would you quantify the loss suffered by the RFFF? The RFFF could not claim losses suffered by the club.So, either criminal case, in which case RFFF need not be involved, or civil case, but only the club could take action.RFFF should save its money for any future "rainy day". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'd donate every spare penny I have into a proper investigation into our "treatment". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'm thinking the victim (club) would need to make the police complaint. Not site if shareholders could instigate this. Don't believe the police in Scotland would've interested .There all bought and paid for too under Snp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Inspired by D'Artagnan's thread(http://forum.rangers...howtopic=253397) on our unprecedented mistreatment including possible blackmail, extortion, theft of monies (due to either us or oldco and therefore the ofr-quoted hard-done-by creditors) and removal of presumption of innocence, could the RFFF, funds permitting, fund either an investigation or a case against the SPL and SFA?By doing this under the remit of the RFFF, it would avoid the possibility of the club itself being held responsible. This immunity from effect for both the club and RFFF, could put serious pressure upon the authorities, forcing some statement of admission, understanding or even apology. If not, pursuing such action may bring its own reward by uncovering information or gaining a result in the courts.Would you support such an action and would you back it financially if necessary? It's a double affirmative for me on these points. great post Oleg and its an idea I would love to see happen . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Who would you put in charge of such an investigation ??D'Artargan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alnic3856 358 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Don't understand, Alnic, in what way 'too far'?You need to watch more comedy shows mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 maybe the 100,000 of us who want to donate could just sign the bloody e petition???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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