Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Inigo said: It has no real effect on Raskin. It's all pretty normal in the box at a corner stuff. In what way does it have no effect on him? He physically moves him from the area where the ball comes into and if he doesn't then there is no push on Hart. He has far more effect on Raskin than Raskin does on Hart. If Raskin drags Taylor away from his position in the 6 yard box the referee blows his whistle 100%. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 minute ago, Roy Hobbs said: In what way does it have no effect on him? He physically moves him from the area where the ball comes into and if he doesn't then there is no push on Hart. He has far more effect on Raskin than Raskin does on Hart. If Raskin drags Taylor away from his position in the 6 yard box the referee blows his whistle 100%. He gets to where he wants to go with ease. There's always pushing and pulling and buffeting and blocking in the box. Goalkeeper contact is always judged to an entirely different standard. Has been for many, many years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Inigo said: He gets to where he wants to go with ease. There's always pushing and pulling and buffeting and blocking in the box. Goalkeeper contact is always judged to an entirely different standard. Has been for many, many years. That's not where he wanted to be. His position at every corner was to prevent Hart coming to get the ball not be behind him. If the same foul is on Taylor the ref blows his whistle. Guaranteed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: That's not where he wanted to be. His position at every corner was to prevent Hart coming to get the ball not be behind him. If the same foul is on Taylor the ref blows his whistle. Guaranteed. As I say, blocking, buffering and pulling go on. Taylor's basically just following him around trying to make his life difficult and make sure he can't get free from hos marking using little pulls and blocks and buffets, the way defenders often do at corners. Nothing he did was out of the ordinary. All of it is below the normal kkinds of thresholds we generally see. graeme_4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Inigo said: As I say, blocking, buffering and pulling go on. Nothing he did was out of the ordinary. All of it is below the normal kkinds of thresholds we generally see. We got penalties against Hearts and Aberdeen for far less severe offences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigamonti 50 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 11 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: That's not where he wanted to be. His position at every corner was to prevent Hart coming to get the ball not be behind him. If the same foul is on Taylor the ref blows his whistle. Guaranteed. This corner was back post. So he wanted to be exactly where he was - behind Hart to stop him backtracking. Inigo and Amokachi 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 7 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: We got penalties against Hearts and Aberdeen for far less severe offences. Don't remember the Aberdeen one, but the Hearts one wasn't less severe. Had passed the usual close quarter buffeting, Goldson escaped, then his shirt was stretched behind him as he moved to challenge for the ball and Goldson fell. Wasn't the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Inigo said: Don't remember the Aberdeen one, but the Hearts one wasn't less severe. Had passed the usual close quarter buffeting, Goldson escaped, then his shirt was stretched behind him as he moved to challenge for the ball. Wasn't the same. I didn't say it was the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Roy Hobbs said: I didn't say it was the same. Okay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Rigamonti said: This corner was back post. So he wanted to be exactly where he was - behind Hart to stop him backtracking. He's not behind him before the move starts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,749 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I’ve no doubt there’s a club statement winging its way to savage these cheats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: He's not behind him before the move starts. It's clearly where he wants to be, though. Clearly given the type of corner it was he's trying to get there to obstruct the goalie going backwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,687 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said: A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences: a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area) holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact Uh huh, and anything Taylor commits comes after Raskin's foul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigamonti 50 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 minute ago, Roy Hobbs said: He's not behind him before the move starts. So ? That was the ideal starting point. You're harder to mark when you're moving, and front to back movement is better because the defender can't watch both you and the ball at the same time. Basic stuff. Raskin done everthing right except for the needless push. Taylor didn't foul him until after the push. You can't (or won't) see it, so we'll agree to disagree on this one. As I said, we've plenty more REAL grievances to be highlighting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Inigo said: It's clearly where he wants to be, though. Clearly given the type of corner it was he's trying to get there to obstruct the goalie going backwards. It's clearly not because he's not behind him until Taylor pushes him away from where he started. He's to the side. If he wanted to be behind him that's where he'd be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Rigamonti said: So ? That was the ideal starting point. You're harder to mark when you're moving, and front to back movement is better because the defender can't watch both you and the ball at the same time. Basic stuff. Raskin done everthing right except for the needless push. Taylor didn't foul him until after the push. You can't (or won't) see it, so we'll agree to disagree on this one. As I said, we've plenty more REAL grievances to be highlighting. He's literally only moving because Taylor is pushing him. He's trying to stop Hart coming out for the ball. As is Davies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amokachi 3,138 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 18 minutes ago, Rigamonti said: This corner was back post. So he wanted to be exactly where he was - behind Hart to stop him backtracking. Which makes the fact he had his hands on hart even more needless & silly. Inigo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: It's clearly not because he's not behind him until Taylor pushes him away from where he started. He's to the side. If he wanted to be behind him that's where he'd be. Not necessarily. You don't always start where tou want to be foe various reasons. He's clearly gone where he wanted to go there, after escaping Taylor. Which makes complete logical sense given what we were teying to do. Even if it's not, which he is, he ends up in the most advantageous position he could be in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Amokachi said: Which makes the fact he had his hands on hart even more needless & silly. Was really stupid from a player that had a good game. Blue Skies and Amokachi 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigamonti 50 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Amokachi said: Which makes the fact he had his hands on hart even more needless & silly. 100%. He was in exactly the best position for that corner. If he just stands his ground there its a goal and no foul. Amokachi and Inigo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 minutes ago, Inigo said: Not necessarily. You don't always start where tou want to be foe various reasons. He's clearly gone where he wanted to go there, after escaping Taylor. Which makes complete logical sense given what we were teying to do. Even if it's not, which he is, he ends up in the most advantageous position he could be in. He's not trying to be there. He's forced back and goes there making a split second decision after he gets free from Taylor. His job was to stand where he was before Taylor moved him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: He's not trying to be there. He's forced back and goes there making a split second decision after he gets free from Taylor. His job was to stand where he was before Taylor moved him. Mate, why do you think he's getting pushed and blocked back and away from the goalie? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Hobbs 2,345 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Inigo said: Mate, why do you think he's getting pushed and blocked back and away from the goalie? To get him away from there. Why do you think it's ok? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,725 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Roy Hobbs said: To get him away from there. Why do you think it's ok? Yeah, to get him away from where he wanted to be. Behind the goalie, the best place to be to block him. Hence when he got free he made a bee line for there. Not for back to where he began 3 yards out. I don't have a deep opinion on whether it's OK. I just know it's normal stuff that usually goes unpunished probably because of how referees are instructed to interpret rules. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigamonti 50 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Where Raskin wanted to be is a moot point anyway. The bottom line is Taylor didnt foul him at any point until after Raskin pushed Hart. it was all just the usual blocking off, arms across etc that EVERY defender does, including our own. And if you push the goalie in the back, thats always going to result in a foul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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