jaywalker

No chance at all.. Why are we wasting bandwith on this subject?

Well done Mr Luce. Give yourself a star for your jotter... Mark would prefer 30K paying supporters to 50K. Not quite grasping the problem there, pal. Got to agree it is strange to see the place emptying. But it was ever so. Dont know how fighting among ourselves about the same old shit week in week out will help. There are still a lot of positives, lets look for them.

Keep the faith.

Willie Johnston, it should always be Willie Johnston.. Willie Willie Willie Willie Johnston............ Course if hes busy, stick Ally up front.

I just heard on the news half of the clubs in the Championship dont cover wages with gate money.. Looks as though administrators are in about the only growth industry in the country.

I was listening to a bit of Radio Clyde (this does not make me a Tim,Record reader or a BBC mole) and one of the Brendans was ranting about wanting apologies and groveling from us, but his favoured outcome was liquidation, newco and starting again in the Outer Hebridean Sunday League 2nd Division with a 15 point deducton for 3 years. I honestly believe liquidation is now very unlikely,and the future is now bright and hopefully orange. The clarification I would like has any team ever had point deductions other than the 10 points we have already suffered for a first administration, or has any team ever had points deducted for several seasons and if not, why did they give that tosser airtime. I hope this makes sense.

What about setting up a 2 legged friendly? Good trip, money for both clubs. Or is this too simplistic?

Jeesus. You dont need bait in here, fuckers throw themselves onto the hook.

Fuck Ticketus. Buy your tickets weekly on-line. Then the club gets the cash and we get the fun of turning Ticketus over. Indeed Fuck them all.

Good plan. Every time we say something stupid we can say we have gone fishing

Yeah. Sod it, the leagues over. Come back next year when the weathers better.

Sounds good to me.. Buy the tickets from the club.

Aye. Craig Whyte will be very worried about the damage to his reputation.

Is there any way to watch this on=line

This is starting to hurt my heid. I cant keep up with this.

Kenny Rogers Im more concerned no fucker knows where the £24M is. Has anybody looked behind the clock.

Up to our knees in legal fees is genius... If only the tube element could stick to it. Knowing the way things are getting reported recently, why would anyone with an active brain cell want to be singing about being up to our knees in any buggers blood.

Aye. Thats what we need. More shit. Fucking grow up.

The following comments are a direct lift from another forum I use, the man who posted it is usually quite inciteful,I find it bloody scary. Please have a read and hopefully point out it is shite. Rangers got into a lot of debt to satisfy Murray's desire/ego. However the debt was £72m in 2004 and was down to £18m when Whyte took over. People forget that Murray created a £57m share issue, which was roundly body-swerved by fans and he had to underwrite £50m of the £51.4m raised (i.e. Rangers fans only invested £1.4m into a £57m share issue) Murray had previously been able to secure additional funding from external sources such as ENIC, Joe Lewis, Dave King, etc. to fund his ego driven approach - and was notoriously unchallenged for his profligacy by the Scottish Media - 'succulent lamb' indeed. In 2000 they obviously took tax advice and started (like a number of clubs) using EBT's to pay players and staff in a "tax efficient way". Incredibly some of these EBT's were still in place when Whyte took over last year, even although the tax investigation into them has been ongoing for the past 3 years! HMRC have been trying to close down the loopholes of the EBT's for a number of years, and Rangers happily went down the road of 'everyone else is doing it so why can't we" they were confident they would win any upcoming court case. However, crucially Rangers have "apparently" failed to implement/administer their EBT's correctly and are now woefully exposed on this front. The reason the value got so high is that it's not just the unpaid Tax, it's the penalties and interest accrued (which mounts daily) on a debt that HMRC believe started in 2001. Hence the reason it's got to such levels. Rangers currently owe HMRC £2.4m for the Small Tax Case (plus the associate penalties) As the Big Tax Case findings have still to be published - they don't actually owe the £70m - theoretically there is a chance they might win the tribunal. Therefore entering into Administration is nothing to do with the "£70m" debt as it doesn't exist yet. David Murray may have saddled Rangers with a tax liability (granted a potentially fatal one), however when Craig Whyte took over they were effectively debt free. Since then the club has been run like an absolute shambles: May 2011: Agrees Deal with Ticketus to mortage a proportion of 3 years of season ticket money for upfront payment of £24.4m prior to buying Rangers. June 2011: Rangers default on first payment of ticketus deal - they can only afford to pay £3.5m of £9.5m first installment. They therefore extend the mortgage to a 4th year (season 2014-2015) to cover the £6m shortfall. (Bear in mind they'd borrowed £24.4m only *1* month before and now can't afford the first repayment!!! Meanwhile Whyte insists this money was *NOT* used to pay Lloyds their £18m - so where did it go?) August 2011: Knocks back a £9.5m bid for Jelavic Sept 2011: Levy and Macrae (Lawyers) take Rangers to court over unpaid bill of £35,000 Sept 2011: Telegraph Interview with Whyte: Did you borrow money against season tickets? "No" Sept 2011: Judge finds for Martin Bain to ringfence £480,000 for future court action. Oct 2011: Judge finds for HMRC to ring-fence £2.8m for Small Tax Case (which Craig Whyte agreed to settle as part of his purchasing agreement in May) Oct 2011: BBC documentary on Craig Whyte stating that he controlled a company whilst serving a 7 year ban as Director. Oct 2011: Craig Whyte instructs lawyers "to commence immediate legal proceedings against the BBC" No legal action ever taken. Oct 2011: BBC banned from Ibrox. Nov 2011: Judge finds for Donald McIntyre to ringfence £300,000 for future court action. Rangers eventually agree out of court settlement with McIntyre in January. Nov 2011: Lawyers Fyfe Ireland are due to submit for Small Claims of £1,260 for unpaid bill against Rangers holding company. Holding company agrees to settle out of court. Jan 2012: Trading in Rangers shares suspended due to lack of audited accounts. Jan 2012: Sells Jelavic for £5.5m - losing the club £4m in value in 5 months. Feb 2012: Judge finds against Whyte and describes his evidence as "wholly unreliable" during court case for his refusal to pay for work done on his home. Feb 2012: Whyte finally admits borrowing money against season tickets. Feb 2012: Whyte refuses to hold an AGM and publish audited accounts due to upcoming Tax Case (even although the Tax case has been ongoing for 3 years and they have been able to publish accounts and have AGM's in that time) Feb 2012: Administration petition from Rangers Directors Feb 2012: Administration petition from HMRC due to £9m in unpaid PAYE and and VAT accrued since Craig Whyte took charge. So you can say all you want about Murray and Co and them running up debt, however all of the above has happened on Whyte's watch, and he certainly is dragging the name of the club to the lowest of the low. Some Rangers fans have seen through him from the start, whilst others cling to the "he's playing his cards close to this chest - surely there must be a plan" The plan is most likely to be either pre-pack administration - i.e. the Administrators sell the existing clubs assets to a new "Rangers 2012" and use the money generated to pay off some of the debts of "Rangers 1872". Rangers 1872 essentially then folds. This could also involve selling Murray Park to property developers - such as Andrew Ellis. Rangers 2012 essentially starts again but debt free, however there is continuity of service for employees, etc. .... or the club is liquidated, and ceases to exist and Rangers 2012 starts up as a new company.

Hey Donald. Pogue Mahone.

Heres a thought. What if everyone kept their fat arses in the chairs provided, then everyone could see the game they have paid for. Standing shuld be reserved for the last 3 minutes, by that time I am on the train anyway.

Every bugger from every team used to shout "Go home ya H***" at every oposition at just about evey game in the 60s and 70s.. This is why I cannot get hot under the collar at being called a h**, I have enough complexes without trying to be offended at playground chants. Indeed the wee barmaid in the Gordon Arms used to shout here come the H*** when our bus turned up. Ah! nostalgia, its not as good as it used to be.

Ally is definately up for it. Whether he is up to it is another matter. However given the restrictions he has at present he is doing better than I could. Give him a fucking break.

I cant believe you come on here and start spouting common sense.

Please make this stop