Jimfanciesthedude 25,637 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 God i hate the transfer windows, every 2nd or 3rd thread is about Rangers apparently signing this guy or that guy, some have decent basis others are just made up after a bevvy session.But what gets me most is when potential genuine targets are immediately put down because they "arent Rangers class", "never good enough to wear the Rangers shirt" etc etc.The recent one tonight is Inverness' Adam Rooney, a guy who has managed 11 goals in the SPL this season, yet without giving it any thought there are a few on here that would say no to this boy without even seeing the deal.Firstly he has 6months left on his deal, so he wont be expensive, secondly he wont command a high wage, not yet anyway, and lastly, HE HAS SCORED 11 SPL GOALS THIS SEASONHe is joint 4th in the scoring charts behind Miller and Sammon, and the player he has tied with is David Goodwillie, another apparent Rangers target.So what else does the guy have to do to warrant a shot at a bigger club????People on here need to remember that our club is working under tight financial constraints, the playing wage budget has been slashed, and likely we have spent all transfer budget bar what we get for Miller. we cannot expect massive signings anymore.The Jelavic signing, for all the player he is, was a one off now, and possibly a mistake if you look at the weaknesses in other areas of the team, there wont be anymore 4 million quid signings unless we get into the champions league group stages, even then we'll probably struggle to do that again.The fact is our main creditors have placed us a strict financial budget, one which will likely see the club post no more losses for the forseeable future, and i for one am very very happy at this.And i would love Rangers to take a chance on a guy like Adam Rooney, cheap option that has done it in our current league, look at Scott McDonald for a prime example of how it can be done.Kevin Kyle is another that gets massive criticism whenever he was mentioned on here last season, now he is spearheading a strikeforce thats only 5 points behind us, 7 off the top of the league, and currently have only lost 1 game since we beat them last year i believe. Kyle has 7 goals to his name this season, plus a few assists no doubt, and like it or not he is a bloody handful to ANY SPL defence.We need to get real folks, Miller has left, so who would you put your money on scoring more goals for Rangers by the end of the season, Beattie/Lafferty or a guy like Rooney/Kyle/Goodwillie who will be desperate to make a name for themselves at a club of our stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm not against us signing Scottish SPL players.But you need to be careful. For every Ian Ferguson or John Brown, you'll get a dozen Gavin Rae's, Kirk Broadfoot's, Richie Foster's, Ian Murray's etc.You also need to watch that some SPL players are just going through purple patches. There's been hundreds through the years that's looked a player for half a season or a season, then they turn pish and it's just been one extended patch of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1872 3,819 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Regardless of what Goodwillie is being accused of, I'd still have him in the starting line up with Jelavic week in week out. If we don't get him it'll go down as a missed opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That phrase would have been acceptable when we had guys like Gazza, Laudrup, McCoist, Hateley, McCall... but not in our current group of players.I understand that we won't be making any marquee signings for a while but we could be doing a lot better than signing someone like Adam Rooney and Kevin Kyle.The only players I would take from the SPL are David Goodwillie and Margaro Gomis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 rangers class is a myth, when somebody says that such and such a player is not rangers class i laugh because what is rangers class, is it somebody who gives it all for the jersey ie puts a 100% into his shift, or is it somebody who's scoring goals for fun and nothing else?everybody even top class players have their off days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,637 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm not against us signing Scottish SPL players.But you need to be careful. For every Ian Ferguson or John Brown, you'll get a dozen Gavin Rae's, Kirk Broadfoot's, Richie Foster's, Ian Murray's etc.You also need to watch that some SPL players are just going through purple patches. There's been hundreds through the years that's looked a player for half a season or a season, then they turn pish and it's just been one extended patch of form.aye but we arent spending anything on them mate.Broadfoot has probably been worth what he's been paid when you think about it, you dont have a UEFA runners up medal and 2 league title medals for nothing, Foster slotted in okay, a far better player to have than velickaEven if it is a purple patch these guys are having, they are a cheap option that can be moved on for what we got them for, but no one will know if it is a purple patch or not until we take a chance on themThere's a massive difference between Rangers class, and Rangers price range unfortunately, yet some fan just cannot understand thatlook at our dealings with motherwell for mcdonald, we didnt offer enough, the beggars then did, he went there and scored a shed load of goals, including a fair few in europe and massive games that took them to 3 titles in a row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SandyWATP Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 The only players I'd take from the league would be Goodwillie and Fyvie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laudrupno1 3,932 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That phrase would have been acceptable when we had guys like Gazza, Laudrup, McCoist, Hateley, McCall... but not in our current group of players.I understand that we won't be making any marquee signings for a while but we could be doing a lot better than signing someone like Adam Rooney and Kevin Kyle.The only players I would take from the SPL are David Goodwillie and Margaro Gomis.is Gomis not able to sign a pre-contract agreement now?im sure i heard this sum where Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,637 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 That phrase would have been acceptable when we had guys like Gazza, Laudrup, McCoist, Hateley, McCall... but not in our current group of players.I understand that we won't be making any marquee signings for a while but we could be doing a lot better than signing someone like Adam Rooney and Kevin Kyle.The only players I would take from the SPL are David Goodwillie and Margaro Gomis.Adam Rooney has scored the same amount of goals for, on paper at least, a weaker SPL team than goodwillieAs for kevin kyle, i struggle to think of ANY defender in the SPL right now that can handle him, look at how commanding that big nugget ross tokely was the other night, yet when hearts played ICT Kyle gave it as good as he got, and tokely looked half as good as we made him look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irwin Sparkes 97 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If a player is no better than what we already have, 'not Rangers class' is a reasonably apt description Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's a lazy phrase used by plebs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,637 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 If a player is no better than what we already have, 'not Rangers class' is a reasonably apt descriptionSo how would you class an 11 goal so far this season strikerTo me adam rooney is miles better than beattie, and probably laffertyhas lafferty even scored 11 goals for rangers since he joined? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 aye but we arent spending anything on them mate.Broadfoot has probably been worth what he's been paid when you think about it, you dont have a UEFA runners up medal and 2 league title medals for nothing, Foster slotted in okay, a far better player to have than velickaEven if it is a purple patch these guys are having, they are a cheap option that can be moved on for what we got them for, but no one will know if it is a purple patch or not until we take a chance on themThere's a massive difference between Rangers class, and Rangers price range unfortunately, yet some fan just cannot understand thatlook at our dealings with motherwell for mcdonald, we didnt offer enough, the beggars then did, he went there and scored a shed load of goals, including a fair few in europe and massive games that took them to 3 titles in a row.It's a fair point and one I essentially agree with. On a side but related issue, It's probably footballs biggest mystery how someone like Broadfoot has a UEFA Cup Final losers medal and a couple of SPL winners medals. Maybe I'm being un fair on him. Just using him as an example.I think there's some decent players in the SPL at the moment. But I'm just weary of spending what little money we do have on some sub-standard SPL player going through nothing more than a vein of form for the sake of it.Your point about McDonald I agree with. Would have loved to have seen him at Ibrox, but we couldn't stump up another 100 grand if I remember right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 is Gomis not able to sign a pre-contract agreement now?im sure i heard this sum where Out of contract this summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irwin Sparkes 97 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 So how would you class an 11 goal so far this season strikerTo me adam rooney is miles better than beattie, and probably laffertyhas lafferty even scored 11 goals for rangers since he joined?I highly doubt he's a better footballer than Beattie, though it would make sense for us to get Beattie off the wage bill and replace him with a younger player on the fraction of the wageFor me, the term 'Rangers class' means the player is as good as our best players. If a player is nowhere near as talented as McGregor, Weir, Bougherra, Davis, Weiss, Jelavic, then he's not amongst the class of player we should be striving for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo. 952 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Is Rooney not an earl tho? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's a lazy phrase used by plebs.At one time you would have to be good to play for our club, but now we sign average players as Moonbeams has left us skint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Adam Rooney has scored the same amount of goals for, on paper at least, a weaker SPL team than goodwillieAs for kevin kyle, i struggle to think of ANY defender in the SPL right now that can handle him, look at how commanding that big nugget ross tokely was the other night, yet when hearts played ICT Kyle gave it as good as he got, and tokely looked half as good as we made him lookAlthough Rooney has scored a decent amount of goals in the SPL I don't think he is good enough to play for us. Plus he is from Dublin And just because Kyle is dominant in the air surely that does not make him good enough? Until he went to Killie his goalscoring record was horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoobyDoo 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I agree, If we lose out on Goodwillie in this window, we will NEVER get him. He is that special striker we need to finish our attack. The boy Rooney is good, but I feel he has found his level. Goodwillie with the right players helping him (Naisy, Laff, Jelavic and experience of Beattie), the type of coaching from Coisty and McDowell would make him world class in a year or so. He could easily be the next top Scot. I posted the other night there of how this charge reeks of pape. Another set up of the Greegz proportions. More chance of HIM gettin raped in Armadale than the other way about? I liked the look of fleck and jelavic the other night, with big laff wide. They are a wee bit short on match time, but i reckon naisy/fleck could be a great foil for the 2 big lads. Another discussion from a big buddy of mine tonight how, Wee Davis is ALWAYS man of the match when played wide right with Whittaker behind him, and whittaker also plays a blinder?? GET GOODWILLIE NOW!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,637 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Although Rooney has scored a decent amount of goals in the SPL I don't think he is good enough to play for us. Plus he is from Dublin And just because Kyle is dominant in the air surely that does not make him good enough? Until he went to Killie his goalscoring record was horrific.but how much would kyle have cost us this season, and then compare that to james beattiei want beattie to be successful, but when you see that hearts got a proven SPL targetman for nothing, and likely on a low wage, and we paid 1mill for beattie and probably on double what kyle is on, it makes you wonder why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_gazza 1,065 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Imagine the chantsRooooooney rooooooooney Would take connor sammon aswell tbh if he keeps his form till the end of the season & deffo get gomis on a pre contract Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniemca 479 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I agree, If we lose out on Goodwillie in this window, we will NEVER get him. He is that special striker we need to finish our attack. The boy Rooney is good, but I feel he has found his level. Goodwillie with the right players helping him (Naisy, Laff, Jelavic and experience of Beattie), the type of coaching from Coisty and McDowell would make him world class in a year or so. He could easily be the next top Scot. I posted the other night there of how this charge reeks of pape. Another set up of the Greegz proportions. More chance of HIM gettin raped in Armadale than the other way about? I liked the look of fleck and jelavic the other night, with big laff wide. They are a wee bit short on match time, but i reckon naisy/fleck could be a great foil for the 2 big lads. Another discussion from a big buddy of mine tonight how, Wee Davis is ALWAYS man of the match when played wide right with Whittaker behind him, and whittaker also plays a blinder?? GET GOODWILLIE NOW!!!!!!!!!where is goodwillie going to go? haven't you read the papers?.hope it doesnt happen, but his career could just about be over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 1,167 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's a fair point and one I essentially agree with. On a side but related issue, It's probably footballs biggest mystery how someone like Broadfoot has a UEFA Cup Final losers medal and a couple of SPL winners medals. Maybe I'm being un fair on him. Just using him as an example.I think there's some decent players in the SPL at the moment. But I'm just weary of spending what little money we do have on some sub-standard SPL player going through nothing more than a vein of form for the sake of it.Your point about McDonald I agree with. Would have loved to have seen him at Ibrox, but we couldn't stump up another 100 grand if I remember right.Re-KBThe reason he has achieved what he has(you forgot international goal-scorer)is he is dedicated(hired personal trainer),has self-belief,thick skin,gives 100% every game and above all really appreciates the opportunity we gave him.If certain other players (past&present) showed similar attributes how much better could we/they have become. ps Would still pick SW ahead of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewsun 1 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 But you need to be careful. For every Ian Ferguson or John Brown, you'll get a dozen Gavin Rae's, Kirk Broadfoot's, Richie Foster's, Ian Murray's etc.broadfoot and foster have actually been ok this season. foster is the fastest player we have and can play everywhere on the pitch if needed.broadfoot is a scary defender but in the CL he was pretty goodi also saw someone mention fyvie. he is actually pish. and hes out injured till the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewsun 1 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Chris Maguire is available for 400k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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