Rangers And Celtic Supporters, Nil By Mouth, The Catholic Church

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

are all against the new Bill!!!

Who would have thought it!

http://www.<No links to this website>/2011/10/06/snp-s-flagship-laws-tackling-bigotry-in-football-are-blasted-by-leading-anti-sectarian-group-86908-23470273/

SNP's flagship laws tackling bigotry in football are blasted by leading anti-sectarian group

Oct 6 2011 By Magnus Gardham

old firm fans

THE SNP government's controversial plan to crack down on bigotry in football was dealt a huge blow yesterday - by Scotland's leading anti-sectarianism organisation.

Campaign group Nil By Mouth said they wanted "less grandstanding and more understanding" from Alex Salmond.

Their refusal to endorse the Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill is the latest setback for one of the First Minister's flagship policies.

And it comes just a day after the Rt Rev Philip Tartaglia, Bishop of Paisley, called for the Bill to be delayed, claiming it had caused a "serious chill in relations" between the Catholic Church and the SNP.

The Record can also reveal that previously supportive Labour MSPs are becoming "more sceptical" about the legislation.

Last night, the party called on Holyrood's presiding officer Tricia Marwick to rule whether the Bill was legal - after warnings it may be at odds with European human rights laws.

Nil By Mouth - who were formed after the sectarian murder of Celtic fan Mark Scott in 1995 - have campaigned for tougher laws in the past.

But yesterday campaign director Dave Scott said: "We feel the legislation is robust as it is at the moment."

He said he didn't think the Bill would "add" to current laws.

Scott said: "We want to make sure the problem is tackled effectively. We want to see less grandstanding and more understanding.

"We've become increasingly concerned and frustrated at the way this Bill is progressing and the fact that the debate has been limited to football.

"I think people are confused as to what the Bill is supposed to do and it would be a mistake to allow this complex and deep-seated issue to be confined to football.

"We have seen evidence of sectarianism in schools, communities and workplaces across Scotland and it affects people from all traditions."

Nil By Mouth were at the forefront of the campaign to give yobs tougher sentences for crimes "aggravated" by sectarian hatred.

Since new laws were introduced eight years ago, more than 2000 bigots have been convicted.

The latest attempt to crack down on sectarian football fans also faces stinging criticisms in a Holyrood committee report due out tomorrow.

It highlights confusion over what amounts to "offensive" behaviour and warns the Bill could clash with human rights laws.

The criticism is doubly embarrassing for the government because SNP MSPs dominate the committee.

The Bill was already branded a "distraction" in a strongly worded letter from Bishop Tartaglia to the First Minister.

He accused ministers of concealing statistics showing the scale of anti-Catholic sectarianism in the wider Scottish society - and he warned the SNP risked losing "the confidence of the Catholic community".

Under the proposed Bill, yobs will face up to five years in jail for offensive singing, chanting or gesturing.

But the plans have caused confusion and anger among fans.

In June, community safety minister Roseanna Cunningham said fans who sang the national anthem or made the sign of the cross in an "aggressive" way could face jail.

Salmond attempted to rally support for the Bill last week after both Rangers and Celtic supporters unfurled banners voicing opposition.

He told MSPs the future of Scottish football was at risk if they refused to back the plans.

But last night, Labour sources said they were considering voting against the Bill.

The party's justice spokesman James Kelly said: "We want to support tough, effective laws to tackle sectarianism - but we refuse to back bad or illegal legislation."

He wrote to the presiding officer after the Scottish Human Rights Commission warned the Bill could breach human rights laws, which say people should understand clearly what is and is not a criminal offence.

They also said it was unclear whether the Bill would infringe people's freedom of speech.

Another Labour MSP said: "We have not reached a final position as yet but it is fair to say that as we've seen more evidence over the summer we have become more sceptical.

"If the government were doing something we believed would be effective we would have no hesitation in standing alongside them.

"But we have serious concerns. "The whole situation is actually making the atmosphere at football matches worse right now."

A Scottish government spokesman said Salmond would meet Bishop Tartaglia tomorrow and show him as-yet unpublished legal guidelines on the Bill.

He said: "We are confident that we can allay concerns about the Bill."

The spokesman added there was "no intention to restrict freedom of speech" with the legislation.

[gunslinger 270]

this bill will be the end of salmond. any rangers fan voting snp is mental.

[the sliver fox 1,672]

this bill will be the end of salmond. any rangers fan voting snp is mental.

this

[CottonRunt 978]

this bill will be the end of salmond. any rangers fan voting snp is mental.

Boab is gonna fuck you up for that comment!

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

That cunt for NBM real reason for spouting this is because they never got an invite to be part of the meeting in Edinburgh as that cunt was in the papers bleating about it. As he knew it would strengthen their case for more public funds. That at the end of the day are what those keechs are interested in

[Smile 26,622]

Nil by mouth only seem interested as its affecting Catholics, no surprise there.

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

this bill will be the end of salmond. any rangers fan voting snp is mental.

Anyone voting snp must be mental.

[Al Jolson 3]

Salmond should have the balls to tell the Right Rev Tagliatelle that his one sided views are no more important than the views of any other religious group.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

this bill will be the end of salmond. any rangers fan voting snp is mental.

Well I will still be voting SNP because overall I think they are doing well and doing the best for Scotland - but they have certainly made a pigs ear of this legislation and alienated a lot of football fans across the spectrum on this single issue. Salmond is usually very savvy on his public battles but he has called this wrong!

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

That cunt for NBM real reason for spouting this is because they never got an invite to be part of the meeting in Edinburgh as that cunt was in the papers bleating about it. As he knew it would strengthen their case for more public funds. That at the end of the day are what those keechs are interested in

Makes me laugh - even when we are aligned somepeople have to try to twist it!

[gunslinger 270]

Well I will still be voting SNP because overall I think they are doing well and doing the best for Scotland - but they have certainly made a pigs ear of this legislation and alienated a lot of football fans across the spectrum on this single issue. Salmond is usually very savvy on his public battles but he has called this wrong!

anyone this stupid should be kept far from power.

[gunslinger 270]

Boab is gonna fuck you up for that comment!

I could eat boab as a snack.

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

Makes me laugh - even when we are aligned somepeople have to try to twist it!

I never twisted anything as he came out with that guff, the other week.

[DarcheVinny 1,003]

Give it up Salmond.

[Raligt 2,541]

I hope when the SNP get chucked out of power the new government will see some sense.

[Al Jolson 3]

I hope when the SNP get chucked out of power the new government will see some sense.

Aye, cos the Labour Party will pure soart they Tims oot so they wull.

[gunslinger 270]

if a second succesive government is thrown out over this I can't see a third making the same mistake.

I will be voting labour to get rid then watching them like hawks.

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

Well I will still be voting SNP because overall I think they are doing well and doing the best for Scotland - but they have certainly made a pigs ear of this legislation and alienated a lot of football fans across the spectrum on this single issue. Salmond is usually very savvy on his public battles but he has called this wrong!

salmond is driven by whats best for him as in, he wants to be remembered as the man that broke up the union.

Also this is the same wee fat rhat , that held up the roi as an example as what independence to this region of Great Britain could be like. Not shouting his wee fat mouth off about that now.

Alos real reason that Libyan was released was to make him look as if he has an importance way beyond what he is.

Another one why did he still take income from Westminster , when drawing money as msp and 1st minister or should that read priest.

Sorry but I cannot possibly see how this toerags can improve the living for me by being independent.

Has he told us how many jobs will go?

Has he told us what will happen to state pensions?

Has he told us what sort of tax rate will be applied?

Has he told us how they will fund an independent NHS?

Please feel free to add anything i have overlooked.

OOps! forgot it's our oil!! what a laugh that is, last time when Thatcher confronted them about their independence vote, she dais anyone not voting , their vote will be classed as a no VOTE, which if looked that is only fair as if you want it get off your arse and vote.

The Shetlands stated the last time that they would want independence from Scotland and that they would claim the oil as it is nearer them.

This region would be in the same section as....

Greece

Portugal

Spain

roi

and I don't mean in a football term.

[Boab 73]

Anyone voting snp must be mental.

When are we will building the multi storey Psychiatric hospital building, after a majority SNP government? Just out of interest.

[Jocky Broon 207]

Worth a re-read:

http://vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=139:sectarian-statistics-clarity-required

[don2332 35]

if a none catholic is refused a job in there secterian public funded schools would the person who refused them the job be charged and if not why not thats type of questions our politicans should ask the catholic church and the law makers in this country church of scotland started education in this counrty for everyone then this corrupt religion that kept us in the dark ages for centuries demanded there own schools and power to say who they employ and now are trying and succeeding to influence ur politicans We have to fight back

[Adoniram 1,919]

Worth a re-read:

http://vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=139:sectarian-statistics-clarity-required

Was indeed Jocky and what really irritates us all is the facts do not support the time and money and effort that is being spent on what is essentially a very minor problem in Scotland.

They will not debate faith schools and if they do not debate this issue then it is clear they are not serious about investigating ALL possible root causes of bigotry.

I think it is fair to say that parents who send their kids to a faith school will be less tolerant of other religions not more tolerant simlpy because they are so entrenched in the ethos of educating their children in a school where religion is the overriding priority.

And it is no surprise at all that ever since they realised they were going to be targeted that they have now come out vociferously challenging the bill.

Who'd have thought it.

[WVB 2,560]

if a none catholic is refused a job in there secterian public funded schools would the person who refused them the job be charged and if not why not thats type of questions our politicans should ask the catholic church and the law makers in this country church of scotland started education in this counrty for everyone then this corrupt religion that kept us in the dark ages for centuries demanded there own schools and power to say who they employ and now are trying and succeeding to influence ur politicans We have to fight back

I am really unfit! Out of breath after reading that.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

salmond is driven by whats best for him as in, he wants to be remembered as the man that broke up the union.

Also this is the same wee fat rhat , that held up the roi as an example as what independence to this region of Great Britain could be like. Not shouting his wee fat mouth off about that now.

Alos real reason that Libyan was released was to make him look as if he has an importance way beyond what he is.

Another one why did he still take income from Westminster , when drawing money as msp and 1st minister or should that read priest.

Sorry but I cannot possibly see how this toerags can improve the living for me by being independent.

Has he told us how many jobs will go?

Has he told us what will happen to state pensions?

Has he told us what sort of tax rate will be applied?

Has he told us how they will fund an independent NHS?

Please feel free to add anything i have overlooked.

OOps! forgot it's our oil!! what a laugh that is, last time when Thatcher confronted them about their independence vote, she dais anyone not voting , their vote will be classed as a no VOTE, which if looked that is only fair as if you want it get off your arse and vote.

The Shetlands stated the last time that they would want independence from Scotland and that they would claim the oil as it is nearer them.

This region would be in the same section as....

Greece

Portugal

Spain

roi

and I don't mean in a football term.

I am a man with a 18 yo daugher at University - so support no fees

Both my wife and my Daughter have skin issues that need multiple creams - - so I support free prescriptions.

I am a sales and marketing guy who works with technology start ups, especially in renewable energy - which the SNP are absolute champions of

For small country examples I look at Belgium, Luxombourgh, Denmark Holland etc. and there is no reason why we cant replicate their wealth structures and standards - I dont assume we cant hold our own in the world economy.

However these are POLITICAL points and my support of any political party is NOT swayed by whom I support in football terms. Salmond has made an arse of this one - but we are all fallible. (.. and the way Labour mesed up and the shambles of the current regime also drives me to look at us being an independent confident Scotland). Now back to Rangers before this thread drifts away from them!

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

When are we will building the multi storey Psychiatric hospital building, after a majority SNP government? Just out of interest.

Only reason those pricks got in was the people who go and vote , wanted to fuck up labour and after 4o odd years of non stop Conservative and Unionist bashing people have been brainwashed not to vote for them.

How come you never answered my points in the other posts.

PS I know a wee fat chunt that can get you a signed sandy thom cd.