Davy 68 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 We'll need a spark, some urgency and a threat coming from deep... Ortiz has yet to show he's capable of that and I don't know anything about Bedoya. What I really hope we don't do is stick with McCulloch in the middle of the park with Edu and shift the best player in the country out to the right.Fleck should be grabbing the opportunity with both hands. He's not done much with the chances he has had, bar a decent run in the first team a few years ago. To be fair to the boy though, he was never going to live up the expectation placed on his shoulders at 15/16 years old. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,735 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 As I always say when a Fleck thread pops up, I've never been worried about his technical ability. He can shoot, he can pass and his control never really let him down when he was in the team. It's his ability to impose himself on a game that worries me but I think that is something that comes with maturity and age, hopefully he's done some growing up in the past couple of seasons and can make the step up and really take control of games in the way Naismith really learned to last season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think the.....in fact really can't be arsed with any sort of debate just now. I just don't think the half's here and there he's had are much of a chance.Fair enough then ingore the facts that he's had almost twice the number of starts that Ness has had and Wilson had before he left. The guy is not good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Disagree completely.Which is your perogative. You're wrong though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 19,129 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 John Fleck will never make it under Coisty after what happened 2 summers ago.Thats why he's barely featured this season IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilmurray22 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes Fleck isn't the player yet we all hoped he would be but I think sometimes coz he's been about from such a young age we forget just how young he is. 2 months ago he was still a teenager so for me he still needs a lot of development as a player but we should not write him off just yet. The boys 6 month younger than Wylde who coz he's just broke on to the scene we class as a youngster.More time needed I think, for him and by us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes Fleck isn't the player yet we all hoped he would be but I think sometimes coz he's been about from such a young age we forget just how young he is. 2 months ago he was still a teenager so for me he still needs a lot of development as a player but we should not write him off just yet. The boys 6 month younger than Wylde who coz he's just broke on to the scene we class as a youngster.More time needed I think, for him and by us.Sorry I don't agree. At Rangers you don't get an extended period. Once you break into the first team squad, you either make it quite quickly or you leave. Every so ofter one who leaves will make it to a decent level - Adam, McCormack etc but there's not that many who do.Especilly now we can't afford passengers. Fleck and others like Healy and Broadfoot are taking up wages that could be better used on players who will actually make a positive contribution to the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilmurray22 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Sorry I don't agree. At Rangers you don't get an extended period. Once you break into the first team squad, you either make it quite quickly or you leave. Every so ofter one who leaves will make it to a decent level - Adam, McCormack etc but there's not that many who do.Especilly now we can't afford passengers. Fleck and others like Healy and Broadfoot are taking up wages that could be better used on players who will actually make a positive contribution to the team.He was 15 when he first broke through wasnt he?? You suggesting we should have judged him there and then and shipped him out at 16?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_gazza 1,065 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Would love Fleck to come on for last 20 mins etc if were 2 up & go:McGregorWhittaker Goian Bocanegra papac----------Davis Ness Edu------------------fleck-----------Lafferty JelavicAnd have fleck play in the hole & then after 3/4 games for 45 mins to build him upto sharpness.Lets see what this lad can actually do!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilmurray22 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Would love Fleck to come on for last 20 mins etc if were 2 up & go:McGregorWhittaker Goian Bocanegra papac----------Davis Ness Edu------------------fleck-----------Lafferty JelavicAnd have fleck play in the hole & then after 3/4 games for 45 mins to build him upto sharpness.Lets see what this lad can actually do!!Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 He was 15 when he first broke through wasnt he?? You suggesting we should have judged him there and then and shipped him out at 16??I'm suggesting that after 5 years and over 40 first team games that if he's not made it by now he never will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Jolson 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Would love John Fleck to actually do something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_gazza 1,065 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'm suggesting that after 5 years and over 40 first team games that if he's not made it by now he never will.40 games in 5 years is not enough to help a player develop.Look at Rooney for example (not comparing him to Fleck) but at 17 was playing for everton a few times. At the end of that season he moved to United & played god knows how many games for then over 2 years!Alot more than what Fleck has in 5 years thats for sure! All players between the age of 17-18 need to play a run of consecetive games to build up sharpness,fitness etc not a game here & there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Which is your perogative. You're wrong though.No you are, completely wrong, frankly your lack of support for one of our own youth players is disgusting. I know, we all know, you and none of us have seen enough of John Fleck to say something so certain as you posted earlier. Makes me wonder why you would be so unsupportive really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Jolson 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 No you are, completely wrong, frankly your lack of support for one of our own youth players is disgusting. I know, we all know, you and none of us have seen enough of John Fleck to say something so certain as you posted earlier. Makes me wonder why you would be so unsupportive really.I've seen more than enough of him. Perennial bench warmer. Believes he's a player but done absolutely nothing to support his belief. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 No you are, completely wrong, frankly your lack of support for one of our own youth players is disgusting. I know, we all know, you and none of us have seen enough of John Fleck to say something so certain as you posted earlier. Makes me wonder why you would be so unsupportive really.Jeez, disgusting? Really? Because I don't think a particular player is good enough to play for the team?I guess most posters on here are disgusting then as most have said at one time or another that a player isn't good enough - from Healy to McCulloch to Broadfoot to Ortiz to Whittaker and that's just this season.You Sir are obviously a cock, makes me wonder why such a cock is supporting us and not the green and grey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I've seen more than enough of him. Perennial bench warmer. Believes he's a player but done absolutely nothing to support his belief.Unless you train with the players every day you have not seen enough of him. Fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdocherty72 215 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Really hope he gets his chance, should be focusing on making players of our youth instead of going out looking and buying players.Plus, he should be first choice after how he plays on FM2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Jeez, disgusting? Really? Because I don't think a particular player is good enough to play for the team?I guess most posters on here are disgusting then as most have said at one time or another that a player isn't good enough - from Healy to McCulloch to Broadfoot to Ortiz to Whittaker and that's just this season.You Sir are obviously a cock, makes me wonder why such a cock is supporting us and not the green and grey.Yes, absolutely sickening. A kid who has not had a chance to prove whether he is or not good enough. You talk like you just dont want him to succeed. Dare i say, bitter, jealous even. You cannot compare a kid who has played a handful of minutes here and there to players who have been consistant first teamers for several years(Ortiz aside). Hmmmm. Piss poor deflection and shite argument.Fail fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Jolson 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Unless you train with the players every day you have not seen enough of him. Fact.You put forward such a strong argument. I retract everything I've said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 You put forward such a strong argument. I retract everything I've said.Correct. Well done. Next time dont make such idiotic statements. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,370 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes, absolutely sickening. A kid who has not had a chance to prove whether he is or not good enough. You talk like you just dont want him to succeed. Dare i say, bitter, jealous even. You cannot compare a kid who has played a handful of minutes here and there to players who have been consistant first teamers for several years(Ortiz aside). Hmmmm. Piss poor deflection and shite argument.Fail fail.What utter bollocks, just twist the facts around to suit your argument why don't you.Then you continue with the veiled accusations of my being a tim. Which I doubt very much you'd say to my face.If anyone has a shit argument and piss poor deflection it's you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Jolson 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Correct. Well done. Next time dont make such idiotic statements.Simply lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Jolson 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 SWSL owning Al again? You using the forum buffoon to support your argument. Again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Poor Al having another nightmare. No surprise there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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