gersandy 594 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 A pal of mine is adament Dick Advocaat ruined rangers. He reckons his big spending has ultimately caused all our money troubles. I disagree, surely Mr Murray was holding the purse strings. And lets be honest, the guy gave us fantastic players like Numan, van Bronkhorst, and Ronald de Boer.Lets also remember his success on the field (although not in europe), and it was Advocaat who pushed for the training ground. Remember Walter Smiths team trained in Bellahouston Park.Whats other bluenoses thoughts on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 David Murray caused our problems. no one ruined us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior1690 6 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 A pal of mine is adament Dick Advocaat ruined rangers. He reckons his big spending has ultimately caused all our money troubles. I disagree, surely Mr Murray was holding the purse strings. And lets be honest, the guy gave us fantastic players like Numan, van Bronkhorst, and Ronald de Boer.Lets also remember his success on the field (although not in europe), and it was Advocaat who pushed for the training ground. Remember Walter Smiths team trained in Bellahouston Park.Whats other bluenoses thoughts on this?think your pal could be right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossDas 1,071 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Buck stops with the guy in charge of the dough, as I see it; Advocaat makes a better panto-villain for the mhedia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Advocaat used what he was allowed to. I've never understood why some try and put financial blame on managers, like Harry Redknapp getting blame for Portsmouth's problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeWallaceRFC 3,920 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Murray could have stopped it, his money therefore it was Murray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambyloyal 20 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Murry chased the dream but cocked up big time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdocherty72 215 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Advocaat used what he had available to him. Murray's fault. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek1872 548 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 if a chairman keeps saying yes every time a manager wants a player then its the chairmans fault. Dick must have thought it was xmas all the dough he was getting. Dont blame him one bit. Any manager would be the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spliffy 643 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It is Advocaat's fault for buying overpriced shite, but Murray signed the cheques. That for me was when our problems started,you must remember we were £20million or so in the black when we sold Gascoigne. I'm of the opinion we were incredibly unlucky in Europe under Advocaat, just one campaign in the CL after Christmas would have cemented his place in folklore. Unbelievable irony is we did it at our lowest ebb in 05/06!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 110,341 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 A pal of mine is adament Dick Advocaat ruined rangers. He reckons his big spending has ultimately caused all our money troubles. I disagree, surely Mr Murray was holding the purse strings. And lets be honest, the guy gave us fantastic players like Numan, van Bronkhorst, and Ronald de Boer.Lets also remember his success on the field (although not in europe), and it was Advocaat who pushed for the training ground. Remember Walter Smiths team trained in Bellahouston Park.Whats other bluenoses thoughts on this?Murray gave us these players though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somm1 10 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Murray all the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,460 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Bit of both in my view, some of the signings made during his tenure did not exactly give the return we were looking for plus there were a fair few 'vanity signings' such as Colin Hendry at £4m, which was more a Murray signing than a DA one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemc 306 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Murray said yes every time wee Dick wanted a player, he couldve said no but let us go £70 million in debt so imo its his fault Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeney 241 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Had Advocaat delivered what he should have done with the money available to him we wouldn't be in this position. However I agree the buck stops with Murray. He would have known the repercussions should Advocaat fail yet he took the gamble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 A pal of mine is adament Dick Advocaat ruined rangers. He reckons his big spending has ultimately caused all our money troubles. I disagree, surely Mr Murray was holding the purse strings. And lets be honest, the guy gave us fantastic players like Numan, van Bronkhorst, and Ronald de Boer.Lets also remember his success on the field (although not in europe), and it was Advocaat who pushed for the training ground. Remember Walter Smiths team trained in Bellahouston Park.Whats other bluenoses thoughts on this?You cannot blame Advocaat as any manager is told what his budget is and he has to work within that. So didn't matter who the manager had been..Smith...MacLeish....PLG or Ally that was the budget at the time.This budget lead to the bank telling David Murray to have a share issue for some £50m. The one that no house would underwrite any particular shortfall. leaving David Murray to move money from MIM into Rangers and some would say about time as he earned loads from owning Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,262 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Another school of thought is that Walters panic buys after Kaunas put us over the edge.Advocatt was last century Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I blame Harry Redknapp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Had Advocaat delivered what he should have done with the money available to him we wouldn't be in this position. However I agree the buck stops with Murray. He would have known the repercussions should Advocaat fail yet he took the gamble.Were it not for a cracking Valencia side, we could have gone really far that year under DA. Shockingly bad luck (the two Bayern games come to mind) cost us hugely that year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Had Advocaat delivered what he should have done with the money available to him we wouldn't be in this position. However I agree the buck stops with Murray. He would have known the repercussions should Advocaat fail yet he took the gamble.I do not think that we would have ever got back the monies spent on the players he bought instead would have been an ongoing thing to maintain the standard of success you mentioned.After all we would have been further down the road with regards to young player coming through the ranks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 19,116 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 At the end of the day, it's all Edu's fault. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie79 67 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 IMO a lot of the problems stemmed from failing to make the champions league the year Fenerbache put us out in qualifying. Murray had us set up for the European millions every year and Advocaat failed in that part so has to take a bit of the blame like some other people have to take a share of the blame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLACHLAN1 49 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 David Murray Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,229 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No matter who's to blame Advocaat gave us some great performances and results in Europe and was very unlucky at times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie79 67 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Another school of thought is that Walters panic buys after Kaunas put us over the edge.Advocatt was last century Spending all that money that summer could bee seen as great foresight by somebody who seen MIM getting deep into trouble a perhaps a tax bill arriving so instead of waiting for all that to happen they threw the money at the team which went on to dominate Scottish football again and make it back from Europe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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