keithgersbear 3,225 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 By the SFL3 clubs which voted us into SFL3? I don't understand how they have the power to do that. Surely if they wanted to get us into Division 1 or even back in the SPL, they would have done it by now. How they waste the time of the Division 3 clubs by voting on this big decision for Scottish football and then over rule it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Because there is no legal obligation to follow the rules of a democracy. Kinda like FF really. Doesn't matter what people think. General dingwall is always right. Even when he's wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Because there is no legal obligation to follow the rules of a democracy. Kinda like FF really. Doesn't matter what people think. General dingwall is always right. Even when he's wrong.But then why allow them to vote to allow us into Division 3 then? What a complete waste of everyones time. So what are they saying then? If they rejected us, they would still try and find a way to get us back into the SPL? So they would have had 3 votes and ignore them all? Struggling to see how they can do that as it just seems wrong.It is basically telling the people of these clubs who voted us into Division 3 to fuck off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 But then why allow them to vote to allow us into Division 3 then? What a complete waste of everyones time. So what are they saying then? If they rejected us, they would still try and find a way to get us back into the SPL? So they would have had 3 votes and ignore them all? Struggling to see how they can do that as it just seems wrong.It is basically telling the people of these clubs who voted us into Division 3 to fuck off. Because the rules dictate so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Very odd rules then."Lets give these clubs a vote and if it doesn't turn out how we want it to, we will just over rule it and tell them to fuck off". What sort of system is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 But then why allow them to vote to allow us into Division 3 then? What a complete waste of everyones time. So what are they saying then? If they rejected us, they would still try and find a way to get us back into the SPL? So they would have had 3 votes and ignore them all? Struggling to see how they can do that as it just seems wrong.It is basically telling the people of these clubs who voted us into Division 3 to fuck off. The big mistake you've made here is in thinking that the SFA are some kind of rational, sense-making entityThey aren'tThey are simply desperate to save their own skin, at the expense of the opinions of all Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Very odd rules then."Lets give these clubs a vote and if it doesn't turn out how we want it to, we will just over rule it and tell them to fuck off". What sort of system is that?Apart from that's not actually what's happening is it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Apart from that's not actually what's happening is it.Well it seems that is the case. They are planning on ignoring the vote and changing the league structures. Very sly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Well it seems that is the case. They are planning on ignoring the vote and changing the league structures. Very sly.The clubs voted against the SFA doing that today. Rumour is SD1 clubs will reject any invitation an spl 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think the SFA are the governing body answerable to UEFA and ultimately FIFA.Surely having an SPL2 would mean that SPL1 would be too large to have 4 head to heads hence no 4 Old Firm games when we get back (unless at that point they change it back to the present set up of course ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think the SFA are the governing body answerable to UEFA and ultimately FIFACorrect but even FIFA aren't democratic. See the home.nations guaranteed vice presidency Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think the last thing fifa and uefa would encourage is democracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevotrueblue 382 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Its all over the national news down here in England that we are playing next season in Div3, and that its done. If a few days later the SFA come out and over rule it, they will look really bad at a time when there is going to be a parliamentary investigation into the whole situ. I think they can and will try suggesting a re-structure,, but I dont think if the SFL clubs stand firm on this they'll be able to do much about it,,,, without losing ALL credibility, potentially getting taken back through the courts and FIFA definitely stepping in this time!!Heads will roll,, doncaster and regan's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 If we end up anywhere but Division 3, we MUST boycott ALL away games. Then do the same when we return to the SPL.We really do hold all the aces on this one.It remains to be seen just how many of the fans will play them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 If we end up anywhere but Division 3, we MUST boycott ALL away games. Then do the same when we return to the SPL.We really do hold all the aces on this one.It remains to be seen just how many of the fans will play them.I am the dude and i endorse this message.Fuck em.Fuck all of em Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Its all over the national news down here in England that we are playing next season in Div3, and that its done. If a few days later the SFA come out and over rule it, they will look really bad at a time when there is going to be a parliamentary investigation into the whole situ. I think they can and will try suggesting a re-structure,, but I dont think if the SFL clubs stand firm on this they'll be able to do much about it,,,, without losing ALL credibility, potentially getting taken back through the courts and FIFA definitely stepping in this time!!Heads will roll,, doncaster and regan's.The clubs in SFL3 will make a killing from our away support and bring in huge amounts of revenue from them clubs. They should stand up for themselves if anything fishy is tried. The SFL3 clubs voted and that should be that in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockney69 48 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Integrity & SPLdoesnt fit together, fuck em allI Must stop swearing now and go double drop a beta blocker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker 377 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ah Bless! Do you really believe in democracy?Do you want to buy some magic beans? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockney69 48 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ah Bless! Do you really believe in democracy?Do you want to buy some magic beans? No and how many beans you got, will have the lot Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Seems its going to be like the oirish vote on the euro. Keep voting 'til you get it "right". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodieBlueNose 2 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 How often in the past, following a bizarre SFA ruling, have we been told "The clubs ARE the SFA. The SFA is merely here to implement the decisions of its members."If the clubs stay strong and continue to vote against any unsatisfactory proposals, they'll get the message eventually. I reckon that there will be a few more attempts before the start of the season to force a vote on amended plans. All in the name of "sporting integrity" of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devref 201 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The clubs in SFL3 will make a killing from our away support and bring in huge amounts of revenue from them clubs. They should stand up for themselves if anything fishy is tried. The SFL3 clubs voted and that should be that in my opinion.not looking for an argument here but the clubs as you say will make a killing on one hand but i think most of that cash will be right back out the door with the extra police and stewards costs so i dont really see them making that much of a profit from us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockney69 48 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 not looking for an argument here but the clubs as you say will make a killing on one hand but i think most of that cash will be right back out the door with the extra police and stewards costs so i dont really see them making that much of a profit from us.Fuck the polisOh done it again, this whole saga has given me torretsMight sue the SFA Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devref 201 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Fuck the polisOh done it again, this whole saga has given me torretsMight sue the SFAthe betas never worked then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockney69 48 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 the betas never worked then Theyre great for my snooker game but not working on the swearing front :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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