Here's a thought!

[blueberksbear 15]

still on phone but you list what to do with each player - is that not saying what the manager should do ? ditto Murray park - it's only your opinion it has under performed - I think it has done well !

can every department improve - absolutely - but sometime you just have to put your trust in the people you have and recognise the good job they are doing! I think I would look for stability and build from their incrementally as ther are no magic short term solutions ! ( even with a rich sugar daddy)

and your opinion is as valid as mine!

[blueberksbear 15]

still on phone but you list what to do with each player - is that not saying what the manager should do ? ditto Murray park - it's only your opinion it has under performed - I think it has done well !

can every department improve - absolutely - but sometime you just have to put your trust in the people you have and recognise the good job they are doing! I think I would look for stability and build from their incrementally as ther are no magic short term solutions ! ( even with a rich sugar daddy)

Player by player is my opinion on the them, that's all!!

On finance, without substantial investment we will be teatering on the brink at some point in the short/medium term (my opinion, nothing else), how do you suggest funding your 5 year plan?

[Fleshers Haugh 48]

Very, very good post, well thought out, decent concept, future analysis, ideas aplenty, business model and so on....

Lick my hairy bean bag, what a load of pish!!!

[trublusince1982 768]

again all the obvious stated but absolutley nothing about how to achieve any of this in our current state. How are you over hauling murray park?, how much will it cost to pay off the current staff? whats the budget for new coaches? what budgets are available for these coaches to work with for new equipment development etc? Who are you looking to bring in and how much of a financial package will you need to offer? How will you aford the extra wages for coaches grounds staff etc to stay later with players? How many new parks will you create at Murray park since the are pretty much booked out all day right now? how many years will you give them to show results? who measures these results?if bringing young kids from around europe or the world what budgets do you give for housing them or their parents? what about schooling are you bringing in tutors if so whats their budgets facilities? if only scottish kids then how are you finding them? how much money do you need for scouting in Scotland alone? How much is in the travel accounts for these kids are they to travel on their own or will we supply adults to accompany under 16's? are the budgets open ended or do we need to see a financial return on the players if so how much a year must we make in transfers? How do you identify and entice the best youth coaches around? And how will you achieve this while cutting costs at the club dramatically while not effecting the standard of play on the park in the mean time?

Thats just some of the things that need answered to be bringing in good young talent never mind the rest, you must realise as a businessman that the cash we need for this is just not there. To think Mccoist, Walter etc didn't want the same things as yourself is just completly naive the only difference between them and yourself is they live in the real world and know wanting doesnt mean you can get the budgets you require.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Player by player is my opinion on the them, that's all!!

On finance, without substantial investment we will be teatering on the brink at some point in the short/medium term (my opinion, nothing else), how do you suggest funding your 5 year plan?

the club has no choice but to work within its means - it is the only sustainable model !

[cstamomusa 3,811]

faure looks very badly out of shape as do a few of our players,would be very interested to know how much work is done on physical conditioning at our club on a weekly basis

On RTV they said he spends more time in the weight room than most players.

[blueberksbear 15]

Very, very good post, well thought out, decent concept, future analysis, ideas aplenty, business model and so on....

Lick my hairy bean bag, what a load of pish!!!

With you being an example of the mindless mongrel that we can all do without......in addition we all know that you can lick you own??

[Spectre 1,663]

as a business man you probably recognise that specialists in Their field know more than you so you hire them to fix / run deparents using there skill - so I disagree with your assemeny of ally - that is like hiring an accountant and then redoing your work

People seem to ignore that management and playing are entirely different jobs and experience as a player doesn't necessarily equate to management suitability. The best cleaner probably isn't the best person to promote to MD of the cleaning company. Equally though the armchair manager forgets that management is not just picking the team, tactics and subs, that you also need to be motivational and someone that players look up to and a highly respected ex-pro has a great starting point there usually.

[Fleshers Haugh 48]

With you being an example of the mindless mongrel that we can all do without......in addition we all know that you can lick you own??

"Your" anyhoo, it was your opinion and that was/is mine, no need for the name calling, how very dare a Rangers fan call another Rangers fan a bad name!!

Although I'm currently liking "lick my hairy bean bag" I will use the words of a RM legend " set yourself on fire, and jump out the window".

[Ger77 742]

Good post.

In my opinion,

I would happily see Black move on as im fed up defending the guy.

If we get a few half decent signings I cant see Big Jig playing every week therefore we may need to go down the club Capt and team Capt route at the end of next season.

I know the guy has made some major f**k ups including selling the club to Whyte however he also pumped a massive amount of cash in therefore I dont buy in to the re-naming of Murray Park

[folkestoneger 8,436]

On RTV they said he spends more time in the weight room than most players.

Yes but how many weightlifters play at full back in other teams

[folkestoneger 8,436]

again all the obvious stated but absolutley nothing about how to achieve any of this in our current state. How are you over hauling murray park?, how much will it cost to pay off the current staff? whats the budget for new coaches? what budgets are available for these coaches to work with for new equipment development etc? Who are you looking to bring in and how much of a financial package will you need to offer? How will you aford the extra wages for coaches grounds staff etc to stay later with players? How many new parks will you create at Murray park since the are pretty much booked out all day right now? how many years will you give them to show results? who measures these results?if bringing young kids from around europe or the world what budgets do you give for housing them or their parents? what about schooling are you bringing in tutors if so whats their budgets facilities? if only scottish kids then how are you finding them? how much money do you need for scouting in Scotland alone? How much is in the travel accounts for these kids are they to travel on their own or will we supply adults to accompany under 16's? are the budgets open ended or do we need to see a financial return on the players if so how much a year must we make in transfers? How do you identify and entice the best youth coaches around? And how will you achieve this while cutting costs at the club dramatically while not effecting the standard of play on the park in the mean time?

Thats just some of the things that need answered to be bringing in good young talent never mind the rest, you must realise as a businessman that the cash we need for this is just not there. To think Mccoist, Walter etc didn't want the same things as yourself is just completly naive the only difference between them and yourself is they live in the real world and know wanting doesnt mean you can get the budgets you require.

Who says everyone need be sacked

There will no doubt be good people there in many positions

It could be as simple as someone at the top setting a new direction or coming up with a new training plan

[jack1690 793]

As an owner of a business (for 10yrs) and a member of the "ftp brigade" (for 55yrs), I cant agree with all the analysis of the playing staff.

[Sandy Jardine 17]

Enjoyed reading the post very good points made . I think there will always be a difference of opinion over player abilities.

To say the that North Korea is anwhere near as bad as the spl is totally unfair to the rulers of that country.

[blueberksbear 15]

again all the obvious stated but absolutley nothing about how to achieve any of this in our current state. How are you over hauling murray park?, how much will it cost to pay off the current staff? whats the budget for new coaches? what budgets are available for these coaches to work with for new equipment development etc? Who are you looking to bring in and how much of a financial package will you need to offer? How will you aford the extra wages for coaches grounds staff etc to stay later with players? How many new parks will you create at Murray park since the are pretty much booked out all day right now? how many years will you give them to show results? who measures these results?if bringing young kids from around europe or the world what budgets do you give for housing them or their parents? what about schooling are you bringing in tutors if so whats their budgets facilities? if only scottish kids then how are you finding them? how much money do you need for scouting in Scotland alone? How much is in the travel accounts for these kids are they to travel on their own or will we supply adults to accompany under 16's? are the budgets open ended or do we need to see a financial return on the players if so how much a year must we make in transfers? How do you identify and entice the best youth coaches around? And how will you achieve this while cutting costs at the club dramatically while not effecting the standard of play on the park in the mean time?

Thats just some of the things that need answered to be bringing in good young talent never mind the rest, you must realise as a businessman that the cash we need for this is just not there. To think Mccoist, Walter etc didn't want the same things as yourself is just completly naive the only difference between them and yourself is they live in the real world and know wanting doesnt mean you can get the budgets you require.

Good response and it just shows how you need a mix of modern football people, experienced businessmen and consistant and substantial funding. Here is a suggestion if thats what you are asking for:

1. Murray Park is a good facility, it's that lack of development/standard of coaching that is lacking:

Fitness - work need to be done on fitness levels as we are currently over-run by Div 3 players - doesn't cost anything

Tactics - same old tiresome tactics: inability to change a game: youth teams play in different formation as first team - costs to employ a modern management structure/team

Diet - finish 3 hours training then off to Nando's - costs a nutritionalist and a comittment from professional players.

So minumum costs so far?

2. Budgets

Board - An executive team are employed to compile these? - costs of ones already there or relacement of?

Extra costs - I didn't mention extra training staff, new coaches, new parks, new training equipment so if you are going to comment on what I say then take you time and ensure I did say it? - so no costs there

Scouting - Who we scout, recruit and employ is up to the management/executive team. Believe it or not, thats why we employ them??????? - Costs, see budget notes

Cost cutting - as every other business, once this takes place then investment is key as costs cannot be constantly cut

3. Investment

Investment - As I have already said, we are in desperate need of investment, there is little appetite for formal investment, not much of a pool/appetite to appeal to fans again so having investment from rich individuals is the only way forward as of today. Whilst I understand that the David Murray experience was eventually damaging, I have no other idea on how else we can fund a top professional team without something similar.

Walter/Ally - Whilst I agree that they have they would wish for a positive outcome as you and I, my point is that there is evidence that we need a new flavour!!

Please feel free to make your points without the patronising digs at someone who is merely offering an opinion.

[lutonblue 1,974]

Would like to see faure given a run in his natural position , which ain't RB

[blueberksbear 15]

"Your" anyhoo, it was your opinion and that was/is mine, no need for the name calling, how very dare a Rangers fan call another Rangers fan a bad name!!

Although I'm currently liking "lick my hairy bean bag" I will use the words of a RM legend " set yourself on fire, and jump out the window".

I rest my case!!

[bluedart1952 1,378]

Only one disagreement with this, the bit about keeping Ian Black, after watching him and Hutton yesterday I would not give them two a game of pass the parcel they were fucking clueless. The only one thing Hutton did right the whole game was putting the ball into the box for our goal.

[quinty 1,445]

As a business man, how would you replace the players you intend to 'move on' , 'let go' bearing in mind the current transfer embargo? Who, of Ally' s signings do you disagree with? Not Ian Black I see?

What business are you in? And would you tolerate a football manager coming into your business and telling you how to run it nd critiquing you decisions?

[Fleshers Haugh 48]

I rest my case!!

Where did you rest it, beside your front door, beside your bed, beside your massive business management brain?

Oh, and is it a briefcase or a suitcase?

[blueberksbear 15]

As an owner of a business (for 10yrs) and a member of the "ftp brigade" (for 55yrs), I cant agree with all the analysis of the playing staff.

Discussing everyones opinion is what RM should be about!

[blueberksbear 15]

Only one disagreement with this, the bit about keeping Ian Black, after watching him and Hutton yesterday I would not give them two a game of pass the parcel they were fucking clueless. The only one thing Hutton did right the whole game was putting the ball into the box for our goal.

100% with hutton, the diffrence between the two is that we know Black can play better??? Wouldn't worry too much if we recruited a better ball winner this summer, any serious suggestions?

[blueberksbear 15]

As a business man, how would you replace the players you intend to 'move on' , 'let go' bearing in mind the current transfer embargo? Who, of Ally' s signings do you disagree with? Not Ian Black I see?

What business are you in? And would you tolerate a football manager coming into your business and telling you how to run it nd critiquing you decisions?

Players - sell them if someone will buy them or pay contact off if not expensive, only other alternative is keeping for back up. Good point on the embargo but my plan is over a number of years not necessarily just this summer, although immediate improvement is essential.

I am neither up nor down with Black, I know he can do better as Shiels etc but some just dont have it e.g.Argirou,Faure

I am open minded in my business, my staff and customers are always suggesting other ideas, I listen and act on several of them, perhaps our management team should be so open minded

[quinty 1,445]

Players - sell them if someone will buy them or pay contact off if not expensive, only other alternative is keeping for back up. Good point on the embargo but my plan is over a number of years not necessarily just this summer, although immediate improvement is essential.

I am neither up nor down with Black, I know he can do better as Shiels etc but some just dont have it e.g.Argirou,Faure

I am open minded in my business, my staff and customers are always suggesting other ideas, I listen and act on several of them, perhaps our management team should be so open minded

So if immediate improvement is required, what are you going to do first? And if immediate improve,ent is not achieved, what's your alternative?

[blueberksbear 15]

So if immediate improvement is required, what are you going to do first? And if immediate improve,ent is not achieved, what's your alternative?

What is likely to happen

Signing a number of players (lets use names in papers for discussion sake)

1. Bell 2. Law 3. Daly 4. Clarke

On the basis that we bring in 6-7 then not only will the first 11 be improved but strength in depth plus young players will be more experienced.....an improvement

We will continue in our old ways that will bring a degree of success but will face the old issues