BlueboyG 5,298 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Can anyone name me one previous Rangers manager who gave more youth a chance than Ally has, opposition notwithstanding?The silence is deafening mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Can anyone name me one previous Rangers manager who gave more youth a chance than Ally has, opposition notwithstanding?McLeish probably did. Certainly if you take into account the types of transfer targets he went for.Guys like Hutton, Burke, Smith, McCormack and Adam were given their chances, but not only this, guys like Boyd and Ian Murray were much younger transfers than you see McCoist going for at present.I also dont think you can rule out the opposition we are playing when making this comparison. Teams from the SPL loan players out to lower league teams to get experience as they should be of the quality required to get game time and through this come back stronger.Even Wenger at Arsenal fields his youth teams when playing lower league sides, again to help them progress.McCoist seems reluctant to take a risk and let the kids play. Even to the extent of playing an admittedly exhausted Daly when the league is sown up, rather than playing a young striker in a meaningless game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 The title missed out the rest of Allys comments. Youth will always get a chance to laugh at my jokes but generally they are to busy on face twitter or whatever and so big Jig and Jon "nae Knees" Daly have to chip in with the guffaws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose1980 107 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Can anyone name me one previous Rangers manager who gave more youth a chance than Ally has, opposition notwithstanding?Any youth player McCoist has played has not been through choice and you know it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 McLeish probably did. Certainly if you take into account the types of transfer targets he went for.Guys like Hutton, Burke, Smith, McCormack and Adam were given their chances, but not only this, guys like Boyd and Ian Murray were much younger transfers than you see McCoist going for at present.I also dont think you can rule out the opposition we are playing when making this comparison. Teams from the SPL loan players out to lower league teams to get experience as they should be of the quality required to get game time and through this come back stronger.Even Wenger at Arsenal fields his youth teams when playing lower league sides, again to help them progress.McCoist seems reluctant to take a risk and let the kids play. Even to the extent of playing an admittedly exhausted Daly when the league is sown up, rather than playing a young striker in a meaningless game.Eck? Not even close. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Any youth player McCoist has played has not been through choice and you know it!I will concede a good portion was by accident and necessity rather than design but at times Aird and MacLeod have played in front of more experienced alternatives. Aird payed in front of Templeton on numerous occasions, for example.Thanks for telling me what I know though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I will concede a good portion was by accident and necessity rather than design but at times Aird and MacLeod have played in front of more experienced alternatives. Aird payed in front of Templeton on numerous occasions, for example.Thanks for telling me what I know though.Mainly when Temps was injured or not match fit though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Mainly when Temps was injured or not match fit though.He was fit enough for a place on the bench and fit enough to come on and influence games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Since Ally states categorically if they are good enough they will get chances, can we assume none of the youths are good enough or at least he doesn't think so ?Most of the players he cites wouldn't get a game or break through if they were youths at Rangers now.Ally was too busy trying to keep his unbeaten record to risk playing youths after the league was won.Always felt winning was a good habit for any team to get into... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,901 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I will concede a good portion was by accident and necessity rather than design but at times Aird and MacLeod have played in front of more experienced alternatives. Aird payed in front of Templeton on numerous occasions, for example.Thanks for telling me what I know though.the same aird that ally tried to drop and indeed did for 4 months until he could no longer try and justify playing peralta at right mid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 the same aird that ally tried to drop and indeed did for 4 months until he could no longer try and justify playing peralta at right mid?If we're playing Aird top trumps then the fact that he played 37 games this season trumps any argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,901 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If we're playing Aird top trumps then the fact that he played 37 games this season trumps any argument.doesnt change the fact that he didnt make his first start until november because ally tried to replace him with peralta Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 doesnt change the fact that he didnt make his first start until november because ally tried to replace him with peraltaI'm not trying to change it, I wouldn't have dropped him if I was manager. Trying to build an argument out of it given what's happened since is more than a little desperate though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gersandy 594 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 FFS ally, just open your mouth and let your belly rumble! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Eck? Not even close.Dont give me it! I dont think anyone in the world would have persisted with the youngster Namouchi as long as McLeish did! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwallowsHisOwnSpunk 7,907 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 aw get to fuck ally at least have the bollocks to admit you have no interest in signing or playing youth players, you may speak of it in interviews, you may say we need to go down the Ajax/Porto route but actions speak louder than words and your actions tell a different story Ally may have the best intentions but his incompetence is setting us back years we are a laughing stock right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Can anyone name me one previous Rangers manager who gave more youth a chance than Ally has, opposition notwithstanding?Walter Smith.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian 4,281 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Always felt winning was a good habit for any team to get into...So why say he is willing to give youths a chance ?Where will our next winning players come from ?Is winning pointless matches more important than developing a team for the next level ?Can we afford to just keep buying overpaid, off the shelf players instead if growing our own ?Should we just scrap the academy and put the money towards more aging players ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 So why say he is willing to give youths a chance ?Where will our next winning players come from ?Is winning pointless matches more important than developing a team for the next level ?Can we afford to just keep buying overpaid, off the shelf players instead if growing our own ?Should we just scrap the academy and put the money towards more aging players ?There are no pointless matches Rangers are built upon the philosophy win everything. Sack any Manager who thinks different.I must admit the notion of winning with 11 players developed through our youth Academy does excite, is it a pipe dream.I think abandoning the youth setup in a fit of huff would be a mistake, what we need to see is targets set for youth developement, have any been set. The Ajax quote is being thrown back in Allys face, but the reality is they are only looking for 2 or 3 players over a two year period, we have done that surely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCPRANGERS1 2,997 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 McLeish probably did. Certainly if you take into account the types of transfer targets he went for.Guys like Hutton, Burke, Smith, McCormack and Adam were given their chances, but not only this, guys like Boyd and Ian Murray were much younger transfers than you see McCoist going for at present.I also dont think you can rule out the opposition we are playing when making this comparison. Teams from the SPL loan players out to lower league teams to get experience as they should be of the quality required to get game time and through this come back stronger.Even Wenger at Arsenal fields his youth teams when playing lower league sides, again to help them progress.McCoist seems reluctant to take a risk and let the kids play. Even to the extent of playing an admittedly exhausted Daly when the league is sown up, rather than playing a young striker in a meaningless game.You would also have to factor in circumstances, if we hadn't been put down to the bottom their how many of these players would've been given a chance b y now, not many IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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