Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: Sack everyone apart from Miller then... Never mentioned anyone else this is about Kiernan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: Sack everyone apart from Miller then... If the new signings take their place in the team and counting the players that left, then your spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Never mentioned anyone else this is about Kiernan. True but the point stands, if players are only as good as their last game why do any of them deserved to be here this season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 My first reaction to the Charleston game was, we have got good height in the defence now, both Kiernan and Wilson are lacking in that department, can't see how either will suddenly get better and the quicker they get another CB with height the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: True but the point stands, if players are only as good as their last game why do any of them deserved to be here this season? Exactly, everyone knew about the threat Stokes could've posed, so why Tavernier didn't hang back to help Kiernan is beyond me. Kiernan isn't the only one defending or goalkeeping, it's a team effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: True but the point stands, if players are only as good as their last game why do any of them deserved to be here this season? I think after the way they played after humping the thims, they all have a point to prove. Personally I wouldn't give him a new contract until Jan and we see what he can do in the top flight first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: I think after the way they played after humping the thims, they all have a point to prove. Personally I wouldn't give him a new contract until Jan and we see what he can do in the top flight first. Then what happens if he has an exceptional season and decides to fuck off in Jan for nothing? This is good business imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, Lloyd72 said: Then what happens if he has an exceptional season and decides to fuck off in Jan for nothing? This is good business imo What did he cost us coming in? Its worth waiting to see if he is up to the job first imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,899 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Strange as he's more Bob Malcolm than Craig Moore. In other words he's a shite CB Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: What did he cost us coming in? Its worth waiting to see if he is up to the job first imo. He cost 283k according to TransferMarkt I think it's better to give him an extension now because he has obvious potential, as shown in the game against Them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: He cost 283k according to TransferMarkt I think it's better to give him an extension now because he has obvious potential, as shown in the game against Them. Them had a few right good chances. If it was simply an extra year on the same money then yes but no more money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivybank 4,580 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Bog standard 3rd rate defender who can't jump Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwallowsHisOwnSpunk 7,798 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The criticism of Kiernan is completely ridiculous, extremely short sighted and way over the top. Yes he had a very poor end to the season probably after the Celtic game is when it started to go badly for him (like most of our squad) he started of a little slow aswell but after his first month till probably about March/April he was a rock at the back it was Wilson who was the bombscare if you were to look at the comments on here from around December you would see the majority of the board praising him our fans are so fickle it's unreal. Sure if he wants to retain his place he needs to improve his consistency and concentration but he is nowhere near as bad as made out on here. People also need to realise our defenders are bound to get caught out more than previous years due to our team's style of play, we are always pressing so far up the pitch leaving the likes of Kiernan and Tavernier far more exposed. It is far easier for a defender to remain solid in a Walter Smith sit deep and defend type team than it is for Tavernier who is playing as a right winger most of the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Guys a fuckin donkey and should be punted. Theres a reason hes been at 12 clubs since 2010....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,511 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 37 minutes ago, RFCRobertson said: Exactly, everyone knew about the threat Stokes could've posed, so why Tavernier didn't hang back to help Kiernan is beyond me. Kiernan isn't the only one defending or goalkeeping, it's a team effort. Both are as bad each other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Both are as bad each other. People only notice the likes of Kiernan/Wilson (and now Hill will likely get the same treatment) when they fuck up or we concede a goal. Tav on the other hand as a goal tally to boast about but in all honesty, scoring goals isn't his main job. He acts more like a winger than a right back. While he should be helping with defensive duties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, RFCRobertson said: People only notice the likes of Kiernan/Wilson (and now Hill will likely get the same treatment) when they fuck up or we concede a goal. Tav on the other hand as a goal tally to boast about but in all honesty, scoring goals isn't his main job. He acts more like a winger than a right back. While he should be helping with defensive duties. I think that he is more attack based than defence due to the way Warbo likes us to play Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: I think that he is more attack based than defence due to the way Warbo likes us to play 8 up front 2 in back Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, RFCRobertson said: 8 up front 2 in back Lol I think with a proper CDM it'll be more 3 at the back tbh, that's why I think both defenders deserve another chance with a proper midfield in front of them not 3 attacking midfielders Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, Lloyd72 said: Lol I think with a proper CDM it'll be more 3 at the back tbh, that's why I think both defenders deserve another chance with a proper midfield in front of them not 3 attacking midfielders Yeah that's why I'm excited most about Barton and Crooks. Halliday did a good job but I think it puts his aggression to waste, and he seems to be good fullback cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, RFCRobertson said: Yeah that's why I'm excited most about Barton and Crooks. Halliday did a good job but I think it puts his aggression to waste, and he seems to be good fullback cover. I think Crooks will surprise a few up here, I've been very excited to see him coming in since we signed him up. Halliday I'm still unsure on, I want him to be good but I don't see him being here long term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Lloyd72 said: I think Crooks will surprise a few up here, I've been very excited to see him coming in since we signed him up. Halliday I'm still unsure on, I want him to be good but I don't see him being here long term. Especially since he and Windass will link up well. Halliday is contracted till 2020 i'm sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, RFCRobertson said: Especially since he and Windass will link up well. Halliday is contracted till 2020 i'm sure Aye Warburton seems to like buying players who have played together before so they settle better like Barton and Niko, Tav and Waggy etc. Fucking hell I thought it was 2018 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Lloyd72 said: Aye Warburton seems to like buying players who have played together before so they settle better like Barton and Niko, Tav and Waggy etc. Fucking hell I thought it was 2018 Kiernan and Forrester King and Holt etc.etc. Also speaking off, Holt is contracted till 2020 too. Holt and Halliday will likely be solid midfielders that will always have a sniff of first team action. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, RFCRobertson said: Kiernan and Forrester King and Holt etc.etc. Also speaking off, Holt is contracted till 2020 too. Holt and Halliday will likely be solid midfielders that will always have a sniff of first team action. Holt I rate higher than Halliday and if he can recapture the form he had before his injuries he'll have no problem getting in the team, hopefully Halliday can prove me wrong because I'd love to see a bear being the one to dominate the midfield in big games like he did in the old firm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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