The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: So no stats then for the CB pairing. When did we include Davis and McGregor in this debate?? When someone else brought them up Goldson and Helander - 3 games together. 3 clean sheets. 3 wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, GA1972 said: Mad that some people have watched our defending in the last 2 games and found it acceptable just because we kept a clean sheet. We’ve been lucky that we haven’t been playing against anyone Seems some are still seething they were proved wrong in claiming Worrall was far better than Katic last year. The reason a lot of us want him playing is despite not being perfect he’s been streets ahead of anyone else we’ve seen at the back this season not because of some myth that he can do no wrong. If he was out there looking like a dumpling playing shite balls out of defence every game I’d be fuming at him as well but the fact is more often than not he’s been an absolute rock for us and against pishy long ball teams guarantees you won’t get beat in the air. If Morelos has 2 slightly below par games where he still hasn’t really made any glaring mistakes would be be dropped? Would Jack get punted for Andy King in the same situation? Definitely not and rightly so, so why is it fair that it’s happening to this lad You’ve got to look long term as well, he could be worth a fortune to someone down south or abroad in the future so do you really want to piss him off to the extent he forces a move say next summer for a small fee then shines elsewhere only to be worth 10 million+ Should end the thread to be honest. But the we must be right brigade will give you stats mate stats and stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Should end the thread to be honest. But the we must be right brigade will give you stats mate stats and stats. Results mate. Couldn't give a fuck less how many shots they concede. Only interested in what the scoreboard says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Smile said: We have more evidence on what Katic can offer over Edmundson as he's featured more for us. Ridiculous logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Blumhoilann said: Don't prove yourself to be the wanker most believe you are😉 Why get personal when he's making a valid point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: So it’s ok to keep playing someone that isn’t playing well as long as he is keeping Katic out of the team. Who said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: So no stats then for the CB pairing. When did we include Davis and McGregor in this debate?? About 3 pages ago when they were used to dismiss the clean sheets in Helander's games. But you knew that already because you replied to the post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, The Dude said: When someone else brought them up Aye you, if you want to bring up a pointless stat then you have include the 2 players responsible for no goals conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: Aye you, if you want to bring up a pointless stat then you have include the 2 players responsible for no goals conceded. Nope. Wasnt me. Someone mentjoned them in response to me. Do keep up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: About 3 pages ago when they were used to dismiss the clean sheets in Helander's games. But you knew that already because you replied to the post Good so we can throw out the stat on no conceded goals to back up a poor defensive display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: Good so we can throw out the stat on no conceded goals to back up a poor defensive display. How many shots did we concede? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Nope. Wasnt me. Someone mentjoned them in response to me. Do keep up. So stat disproved then pages ago and you are still banging on about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: How many shots did we concede? Can’t use that stat as we are debating the CB pairing not Davis & McGregor. Waiting on you Stato to give us stats that actually have any meaning to the debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: So stat disproved then pages ago and you are still banging on about it. It was disproved? Who has scored against us in any of Helander's five competitive starts? I'll even list the games so you can 'disprove' that we've kept clean sheets in all five games. East Fife - 3 - 0 St. Mirren - 1- 0 Feyenoord - 1 - 0 St. Johnstone - 4 - 0 Livingston - 1 - 0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: Can’t use that stat as we are debating the CB pairing not Davis & McGregor. What is a defender's job? (PS the clue is in the name) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: It was disproved? Who has scored against us in any of Helander's five competitive starts? I'll even list the games so you can 'disprove' that we've kept clean sheets in all five games. East Fife - 3 - 0 St. Mirren - 1- 0 Feyenoord - 1 - 0 St. Johnstone - 4 - 0 Livingston - 1 - 0 How many shots on goal??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: What is a defender's job? (PS the clue is in the name) To stop shots on goal, goalkeeper is to save any shots the defenders can’t stop. Good job we have a good keeper Thought that was pretty obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: How many shots on goal??? None that resulted in a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: None that resulted in a goal. Good goalie then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: To stop shots on goal, goalkeeper is to save any shots the defenders can’t stop. Thought that was pretty obvious. And if a defensive unit has stopped the opposition team from getting any shots on goal that leads to a goal, then it's reasonable to assume the defenders have done a reasonable job - even if you can isolate one chance from a 90 minute game and hang your hat on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Good goalie then. Why was he conceding goals in games Katic was playing then? Did he suddenly become a bad goalie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, The Dude said: And if a defensive unit has stopped the opposition team from getting any shots on goal that leads to a goal, then it's reasonable to assume the defenders have done a reasonable job - even if you can isolate one chance from a 90 minute game and hang your hat on that How many shots on goal then in the last 5 games?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,556 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: And if a defensive unit has stopped the opposition team from getting any shots on goal that leads to a goal, then it's reasonable to assume the defenders have done a reasonable job - even if you can isolate one chance from a 90 minute game and hang your hat on that Absolute nonsense Bad finishing or decision making in the final third from a poor team doesn’t equate to good defending Football isn’t this black and white which is why stats rarely ever tell the full story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Why was he conceding goals in games Katic was playing then? Did he suddenly become a bad goalie? What you think a goalie should save every shot. Good thing we have a Davis then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, GA1972 said: Absolute nonsense Bad finishing or decision making in the final third from a poor team doesn’t equate to good defending Football isn’t this black and white which is why stats rarely ever tell the full story It doesn't, however having shots at goal doesn't simply equate to poor defending either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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