BlueSuedeSambas 56,434 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 We will struggle to move Barker on without a massive pay out. We probably gave him the best contract of his life and he will be in no rush to give that up without an incentive. Shambles of a signing from the off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,618 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, DBBTB said: We will struggle to move Barker on without a massive pay out. We probably gave him the best contract of his life and he will be in no rush to give that up without an incentive. Shambles of a signing from the off. The signings we made in the summer for that position was a shambles, the money spent on that dross should’ve been used to sign one quality player, instead we went for a scattergun approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,324 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, DBBTB said: We will struggle to move Barker on without a massive pay out. We probably gave him the best contract of his life and he will be in no rush to give that up without an incentive. Shambles of a signing from the off. 8 big ones a week supposedly. Horrendous payout to someone who shown very little before signing. Don't know if Allen actually done one good deal for us in his time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 32,526 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 So nobody competing with Goldson for a spot? I don't care how many wingers we signed last summer, we desperately need more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthranger 4,269 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, esquire8 said: 8 big ones a week supposedly. Horrendous payout to someone who shown very little before signing. Don't know if Allen actually done one good deal for us in his time. That’s fucking disgraceful if true. A winger who offers nothing going forward, I’ve seen boys at non-league level offer more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 12,206 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 27 minutes ago, bluenoz said: So nobody competing with Goldson for a spot? I don't care how many wingers we signed last summer, we desperately need more! Katic is technically a right sided centre back who has been put on the left because we only had right sided centre backs. You could easily make it Goldson/Katic and then Helander/Edmundson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 32,526 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, Broxi said: Katic is technically a right sided centre back who has been put on the left because we only had right sided centre backs. You could easily make it Goldson/Katic and then Helander/Edmundson True enough, I was just basing it on that chart that suggests Goldson has no competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smell the hotdog 4,129 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 That chart just confirms everything majority of us have said, our wide options are horrific. Gerrard needs to sort it this summer otherwise it will cost him his job, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,324 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, bluenoz said: True enough, I was just basing it on that chart that suggests Goldson has no competition. It's just Jordan having a dig that Goldson is pretty much undroppable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Jordan in that article also mentions 2 strikers being signed for the academy over the next few weeks Wonder who they are 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,635 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 hours ago, ElBufalo20 said: I heard we don’t play with wingers?? We dont so that line up is a lot of pish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,643 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Jordan in that article also mentions 2 strikers being signed for the academy over the next few weeks Wonder who they are 😀 Liam Burt available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,635 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 The thing is with all they wingers is that they never once played in a system that allowed them to be wingers They most likely arent good enough, but even if we signed the best right winger in the world, gerrard would likely tell him to cut inside and make space for tav to go try do a fucking wingers job 😡😡 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monk 3,209 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Liam Burt available. Ouch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: The thing is with all they wingers is that they never once played in a system that allowed them to be wingers They most likely arent good enough, but even if we signed the best right winger in the world, gerrard would likely tell him to cut inside and make space for tav to go try do a fucking wingers job 😡😡 Still going with this pish i see. Look at most, if not all, of the most successful teams in Europe - they all play with overlapping fullbacks and an interchangeable front 3, in some form. Just because we had success in the 90s playing 4-4-2 with a rigid backline and wingers, doesn't mean it's going to work now and it's actually far more defensive than playing a 4-3-3 against an SPL team who're playing with 10 men in defence. Absolutely pointless having 4 defenders and a defensive midfielder man marking Lyndon Dykes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,629 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, BlueMe said: Still going with this pish i see. Look at most, if not all, of the most successful teams in Europe - they all play with overlapping fullbacks and an interchangeable front 3, in some form. Just because we had success in the 90s playing 4-4-2 with a rigid backline and wingers, doesn't mean it's going to work now and it's actually far more defensive than playing a 4-3-3 against an SPL team who're playing with 10 men in defence. Absolutely pointless having 4 defenders and a defensive midfielder man marking Lyndon Dykes. Lennon went 352 or 4312 and fucking romped the league from Jan onwards. Realised 1 striker wasn’t getting the job done and adapted. Gerrard put 2 strikers up when we were 1-0 down away to St Johnston, we went 2-1 ahead and then he reverted back to type subbing Morelos off and then they equalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crombie1873 142 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 hours ago, esquire8 said: Looking at that squad we still have plenty of trimming to do, especially that LW. RW is a disaster. At least Jordan knows the script with Goldson.... My opinion, going by that is we need around 5-6 players in priority listed below: 1. AMR: We really struggle here, quality player that can link up with Tav well and possibly cover him when he's going forward as well as a back up option (possibly keep Stewart as back up but only due to the fact he seems to be able to play in any of the 4 attacking positions). 2. CM: Again, I think we need to sign a quality CM to play alongside Jack, not seen much of McCrorie since he has been on loan but hopefully he can also push for a place in the squad. 3. LW: Reasonable quality / cover, hopefully we can get Kent firing next season but if not we need someone that can play here and can let Kent know that he isn't undroppable. 4. ST: Decent enough striker that will push Morelos if he isn't sold / take his place if he's off form, we have Defoe in this position but I don't see him playing anything more than an impact sub next season at best. 5. GK: Believe we are already looking at this are but cover for McGregor would be good and hopefully get McCrorie out on loan again this season and be ready to take over next year if good enough, he seems like a decent enough keeper to do this. 6. RB: Back up for Tav, I liked the look of young Patterson but not sure he's ready for the first team yet if Tav was injured / off form Something like this would be at least a start for our senior squad next season IMO: Anyone not in the above I would sell / release or loan out depending on age and ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,820 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Liam Burt available. Did he get released by them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Liam Burt available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Lennon went 352 or 4312 and fucking romped the league from Jan onwards. Realised 1 striker wasn’t getting the job done and adapted. Gerrard put 2 strikers up when we were 1-0 down away to St Johnston, we went 2-1 ahead and then he reverted back to type subbing Morelos off and then they equalised. It's a myth that Gerrard never changes the 4-3-3 tbh - he's made poor decisions on when to change the system effectively and when to bring on subs etc, but he did change it plenty of times, and some times he fucked it. The 4-3-3 is a 4-5-1 in defence, and in attack, it let's an attacking midfielder support the striker with 2 "wingers" cutting in and the width comes from our fullbacks. Nothing wrong with the system imo - the bigger problems were injuries to key players and loss of form to others - add in Gerrards mistakes and we were fucked tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 After his successful loan spell and back to proper match fitness, I would be keeping Murphy. A seasoned professional and a far better option that Barker, Hastie, Jones etc. We need experienced players who want to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,629 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, BlueMe said: It's a myth that Gerrard never changes the from 4-3-3 tbh - he's made poor decisions on when to change the system effectively and when to bring on subs etc, but he did change it plenty of times, and some times he fucked it. The 4-3-3 is a 4-5-1 in defence, and in attack, it let's an attacking midfielder support the striker with 2 "wingers" cutting in and the width comes from our fullbacks. Nothing wrong with the system imo - the bigger problems were injuries to key players and loss of form to others - add in Gerrards mistakes and we were fucked tbh. Scottish football is an absolute backwater. Sometimes (as unpalatable as it is) you just need to be more direct and have bodies in the box. We we’re outstanding in Europe, but come the winter months when pitches in scotland are like cow fields you need to adapt. TLB did and is sitting with yet another trophy. We didn’t and have nothing to show for it. I don’t think throwing on another striker after 60 minutes to try to salvage a game, and work with a moody wee bastard who only wants to play on his own, is being ‘adaptable’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,643 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, BlueMe said: It's a myth that Gerrard never changes the 4-3-3 tbh - he's made poor decisions on when to change the system effectively and when to bring on subs etc, but he did change it plenty of times, and some times he fucked it. The 4-3-3 is a 4-5-1 in defence, and in attack, it let's an attacking midfielder support the striker with 2 "wingers" cutting in and the width comes from our fullbacks. Nothing wrong with the system imo - the bigger problems were injuries to key players and loss of form to others - add in Gerrards mistakes and we were fucked tbh. It’s the wrong system for the players we have. the 3 forwards all have to contribute with goals. Kent, Aribo and Arfield had 15 between them in league. He persists in playing players in a system that doesn’t suit them instead of playing a system that suits the players he had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,324 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bigsasasfloppyhair said: After his successful loan spell and back to proper match fitness, I would be keeping Murphy. A seasoned professional and a far better option that Barker, Hastie, Jones etc. We need experienced players who want to win. Hes the best out of a piss poor bunch, would be good option if he kept fit especially against the park the bus teams. Need wholesale changes in our wide positions, only Kent really cuts it for a first team berth. Majority we need rid of will probably only go out on loan with us still paying a % of their wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,635 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, BlueMe said: Still going with this pish i see. Look at most, if not all, of the most successful teams in Europe - they all play with overlapping fullbacks and an interchangeable front 3, in some form. Just because we had success in the 90s playing 4-4-2 with a rigid backline and wingers, doesn't mean it's going to work now and it's actually far more defensive than playing a 4-3-3 against an SPL team who're playing with 10 men in defence. Absolutely pointless having 4 defenders and a defensive midfielder man marking Lyndon Dykes. Yet we have 2 defenders and 3 sitting mids doing the exact fucking same, marking lyndon dykes Our 433 has all but one player sitting in front of their 11, teams sussed our overlapping fullback and just flooded the centre of the park meaning our crosses mostly went to the opposition I never once said play a 442 recently, i asked for it during the season as i was desperate for him to change anything just to freshen it up and throw off opponents, Right now, especially at home, we should be playing something like a 4132 actually have proper wide mids that will take on the fullback, go by them and drive towards the box forcing a centre half to come out and meet them, creating gaps in the middle What we seen post xmas was teams sitting with a bank of 5 knowing full well that tav and barisic arent good enough to skin a fullback, so they would just cross it nice and early to a lone striker in the box himseld against 3 big burly bastard centre halves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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