TheLawMan 6,240 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 John McKay said, but there's still a serious concern they could run out of money again.If you go back to what i said to you a few pages back, it would be daft to not be "concerned" that we "could" run out of money as something has to change.I dont think he should be using the word "serious" though at this stage. RFC55 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Update to what I posted earlier - we actually raised £35.5m in share capital. There were two tranches of shares issued pre IPO - £7.7m and £5.6m. This is the money that effectively funded the purchase of the club and initial trading losses, not the IPO money.The costs of £5.7m are in relation to all of that, not just the £22m IPO. The costs of the IPO were about £2.5m. Costs of the other share issues were about £3.2, which is very high but more risky than the IPO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,330 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If you go back to what i said to you a few pages back, it would be daft to not be "concerned" that we "could" run out of money as something has to change.I dont think he should be using the word "serious" though at this stage. Ta mate, I'm just wondering if it will be that guy Neil patey they have on Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 It's all about The RangersGreat move by the board releasing the accounts todayYellow teeth must be beeling BLUEDIGNITY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Don't know if STV have that guy fae Ernst and young coming on but their main headline says "warning rangers may run out if money again"Someone better tell Deloitte quickly - STV obviously know better than the auditors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 It's all about The RangersGreat move by the board releasing the accounts todayYellow teeth must be beelingWas thinking that myself!At first when I heard the accounts were going to be released today, I thought they were trying to bury some bad news.Actually the accounts are not very good (little worse than I hoped), but it is recoverable.Really has taken the attention right off them though. Only hope they still make the back pages tomorrow with a humiliating record defeat though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio 1,199 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I heard what the Earnest and young guys said. He said we were paying out 600k a month all said and done, he said that in he 2 years that it will take us to get back to the top, if we kept the current level of revenue, we would need a cash injection. Next year I would expect the revenue to grow, we need to pay more for our books, I see a 100 quid rise on the price of a ticket for next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy 1,308 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Expect two things from Sportsound in the next hour:Put worst possible spin on accounts.Spence will struggle to avoid saying "new club". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor3los_1 3,672 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'll give some credit to FF.I have been on there arguing my points over the last 12 hours, and I have not been banned for my opposing view to the party line. I cant even get on FF now. Says my account isnt authorised for anything. Guess i am banned, only had like 5 posts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stfu 596 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 How many millions did we spend on stupid legal issues this year?How many millions on Edmiston house and the Albion?How much on the Green/Whyte investigation?How much on the football debts?None of these will be there next year and we will have a greater turnover and greater merchandising so will the doom and gloom folk please get a life? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,534 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I heard what the Earnest and young guys said. He said we were paying out 600k a month all said and done, he said that in he 2 years that it will take us to get back to the top, if we kept the current level of revenue, we would need a cash injection. Next year I would expect the revenue to grow, we need to pay more for our books, I see a 100 quid rise on the price of a ticket for next season.I'm up for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Let's hope Neil makes a better job of reading the accounts than he did of reading the iIPO, otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised.Neil Patey, accountancy expert from Ernst and Young, was quoted by the BBC website on August 2 saying:-“It’s slightly unusual that they are using money raised from the IPO for working capital. Usually, money raised from the IPO is used to fund things like buying over new companies and not working capital.“Unusually, they are using the money from the IPO to fund their losses until such time as they return to the top flight and are able to tap into that prize money and money from a return to European football.“If you don’t keep a prudent cost control, you could spend the £22m and run out of money before getting to the top division.” Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm up for that.Be about an extra £2.8m in the bank based on 35,000 tickets being sold.Would certainly help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Let's hope Neil makes a better job of reading the accounts than he did of reading the iIPO, otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised.Neil Patey, accountancy expert from Ernst and Young, was quoted by the BBC website on August 2 saying:-“It’s slightly unusual that they are using money raised from the IPO for working capital. Usually, money raised from the IPO is used to fund things like buying over new companies and not working capital.“Unusually, they are using the money from the IPO to fund their losses until such time as they return to the top flight and are able to tap into that prize money and money from a return to European football.“If you don’t keep a prudent cost control, you could spend the £22m and run out of money before getting to the top division.”To be fair, he doesnt say it caught him by surprise (not in the bit you posted anyway) about us using the IPO for working capital, he just said it was unusual.It is a very unusual situation we are in though, so was only to be expected that we would use the IPO money to tide us over, even if it is unusual in most business situations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,330 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 @mmBad headline tbh,Patey from Ernst and young said the exact same as the law man has said. We have to cut costs, or we will have to go back to the investors for additional funding, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfaebrigton 31 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just seen stv news there rangers in non story shocker ffs tellin us what we already know Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I see Furry is encouraging his followers to read Charlotte FakesYou actually couldn't make this up Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I see Furry is encouraging his followers to read Charlotte FakesYou actually couldn't make this upTo be honest, ive not really seen anything on CF that is particularly damaging.Highlighted a few things that needed some questions answered, but hasnt uncovered any major conspiracy or anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I see Furry is encouraging his followers to read Charlotte FakesYou actually couldn't make this up Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Let's hope Neil makes a better job of reading the accounts than he did of reading the iIPO, otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised.Neil Patey, accountancy expert from Ernst and Young, was quoted by the BBC website on August 2 saying:-“It’s slightly unusual that they are using money raised from the IPO for working capital. Usually, money raised from the IPO is used to fund things like buying over new companies and not working capital.“Unusually, they are using the money from the IPO to fund their losses until such time as they return to the top flight and are able to tap into that prize money and money from a return to European football.“If you don’t keep a prudent cost control, you could spend the £22m and run out of money before getting to the top division.”To be fair, he doesnt say it caught him by surprise (not in the bit you posted anyway) about us using the IPO for working capital, he just said it was unusual.It is a very unusual situation we are in though, so was only to be expected that we would use the IPO money to tide us over, even if it is unusual in most business situations.He must have missed something that was out in the open.The Company plans to use the money raised from the Placing to improve theinfrastructure of the Club. In particular, the Directors have identified:• upgrades to Ibrox stadium (approximately £5.5 million);• acquisition of land assets adjacent to the stadium (£4.5 million);• other identified projects which could result in additional revenuegenerating activities (approximately £3.0 million); and• general working capital purposes.In addition, should the Company receive funds from the Offer, the Directors haveidentified other potential investments that would go beyond the Group’s strategyin the next 12 months, but which could further enhance revenue opportunities.In particular, the Directors have identified:• further upgrades to Ibrox Stadium (approximately £3.5 million); and• other identified projects which could result in additional reviewgenerating activities (approximately £2.0 million).Additionally, cash could also be used to provide the Directors with additionalflexibility to opportunistically consider appropriate investment opportunitiesas and when they arise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I see Furry is encouraging his followers to read Charlotte FakesYou actually couldn't make this upIs that what we are being lowered to now, accounts are out and people are making up their own opinion so no longer can they use the accounts as a weapon against the board, they have to use a twitter account that post either made up or illegally obtained material.I seriously think some people would rather we failed if they can't their Paul Murray on the board.#itsnotaboutrangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbear 398 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I see Furry is encouraging his followers to read Charlotte FakesYou actually couldn't make this up Fake Bake @ Charlotte Fakes ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 To be honest, ive not really seen anything on CF that is particularly damaging.Highlighted a few things that needed some questions answered, but hasnt uncovered any major conspiracy or anything.It's the principle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,208 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 As I see it, the accounts are good for a first year Company. They really have shot down the "going bust by Christmas brigade", also one or two on here who kept saying they would be interim accounts, or wouldn't be out til next April, or this seasons ST money would be in them..... you got it wrong, even after I explained it to you. Wow, I feel so smug now lol.The one thing that ties up these accounts as being good, is that they have been signed off, if they had been bad , they would not have been signed off.Yes, fellow bears, we are on the road to recovery and on the up positively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,208 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Get it right up you mini, f***ing joke of a man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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