Couple of questions that are doing me head in. Help please.

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

Right, first one: The pass back. It has to be a "Pass back" in the literal sense doesn't it? Or at least it did. Eg, a defender on his goal line could pass the ball forward and his keeper could pick it up. I may be wrong, or it may have changed over the years. Am I right on this or is this an old law that got changed?

 

The other one is an offside question. Scenario: two players have beaten the offside trap, they are baring down on the Kepper player a) has the ball, player b) is there to either receive a square or just put the Kepper off so player a) can dummy then just pass it into goal. So player A passes the ball to player B, the ball moves forward, its not "squared" so player B is receiving the ball from an offside position. Is that correct too?

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,729]

Spaz.

[tannerall 25,935]

Just had a look at the SPL rule book and can confirm that in both scenarios if cellic don't score it's a penalty kick to cellic. 

[K.A.I 36,183]

The answers are no and no 

in that order 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,546]

The first one is just called the pass back rule because it cut out the time wasting from players doing it constantly near the end of the game 

The second one, as long as player b is behind player a he'll never be offside, no matter how the pass is played 

 

[tannerall 25,935]

8 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

Right, first one: The pass back. It has to be a "Pass back" in the literal sense doesn't it? Or at least it did. Eg, a defender on his goal line could pass the ball forward and his keeper could pick it up. I may be wrong, or it may have changed over the years. Am I right on this or is this an old law that got changed?

Ignore answers from previous posters showing extreme taig-like refereeing behaviour by making it up as they go along.

The definitive answer is:

The offense rests on three events occurring in the following sequence:

The ball is kicked (played with the foot, not the knee, thigh, or shin) by a teammate of the goalkeeper,

This action is deemed to be deliberate, rather than a deflection or miskick, and

The goalkeeper handles the ball directly (no intervening touch of play of the ball by anyone else)

When, in the opinion of the referee, these three conditions are met, the violation has occurred. It is not necessary for the ball to be “passed,” it is not necessary for the ball to go “back,” and it is not necessary for the deliberate play by the teammate to be “to” the goalkeeper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-pass_rule

[tannerall 25,935]

8 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

The other one is an offside question. Scenario: two players have beaten the offside trap, they are baring down on the Kepper player a) has the ball, player b) is there to either receive a square or just put the Kepper off so player a) can dummy then just pass it into goal. So player A passes the ball to player B, the ball moves forward, its not "squared" so player B is receiving the ball from an offside position. Is that correct too?

The obvious answer to this one is that the game should be stopped immediately, and both players given a red card to cover their modesty, unless one of the players is @tannerall in which case a second, and possibly third red card will be required.

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

1 hour ago, tannerall said:

Ignore answers from previous posters showing extreme taig-like refereeing behaviour by making it up as they go along.

The definitive answer is:

The offense rests on three events occurring in the following sequence:

The ball is kicked (played with the foot, not the knee, thigh, or shin) by a teammate of the goalkeeper,

This action is deemed to be deliberate, rather than a deflection or miskick, and

The goalkeeper handles the ball directly (no intervening touch of play of the ball by anyone else)

When, in the opinion of the referee, these three conditions are met, the violation has occurred. It is not necessary for the ball to be “passed,” it is not necessary for the ball to go “back,” and it is not necessary for the deliberate play by the teammate to be “to” the goalkeeper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-pass_rule

Aye, I get all that. But the actual back pass, did players not get away with this in the beginning to get round the rule? Hence why the word "back" was entered into the rules?

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

1 hour ago, tannerall said:

The obvious answer to this one is that the game should be stopped immediately, and both players given a red card to cover their modesty, unless one of the players is @tannerall in which case a second, and possibly third red card will be required.

[Redwhiteandblue 3,330]

2 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

The first one is just called the pass back rule because it cut out the time wasting from players doing it constantly near the end of the game 

The second one, as long as player b is behind player a he'll never be offside, no matter how the pass is played 

 

You 100% on that? I'm sure I've seen an offside called, just recently in fact, because the ball moved forward. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,546]

1 hour ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

You 100% on that? I'm sure I've seen an offside called, just recently in fact, because the ball moved forward. 

If you are behind the ball it is impossible to be offside, unless the linesman is a dick

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12 hours ago, Gustav said:

Spaz.

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5 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

You 100% on that? I'm sure I've seen an offside called, just recently in fact, because the ball moved forward. 

As far as I'm aware it doesn't matter which direction the ball is played as long as the receiving player, in the scenario mentioned, is behind the player who plays the pass.

[MasterD 7,435]

Are you a farmer?

[Ger_onimo 20,488]

8 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

Aye, I get all that. But the actual back pass, did players not get away with this in the beginning to get round the rule? Hence why the word "back" was entered into the rules?

So what was the rule before? It was illegal to “pass”?

[TheKingObv 10,646]

Fuck knows how you don't know the answer to the second situation.

[tannerall 25,935]

9 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

If you are behind the ball it is impossible to be offside, unless the linesman is a dick , unless the linesman or ref is Scottish, and the advantage is to cellic.

Sorted. 

[Rangers#1 5,459]

Glad someone had the balls to ask.

[hammer time 653]

Doesn't matter Beaton, Collum and rest would still get it wrong

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On 03/12/2017 at 09:46, Redwhiteandblue said:

You 100% on that? I'm sure I've seen an offside called, just recently in fact, because the ball moved forward. 

You often see the ball played diagonally forward towards the far post and a player tapping it home almost in the line.

As long as the scorer started off level with, or behind the guy who made the pass, he won’t be offside.