Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: Who goes into Europe? 2 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Your not getting it Null and void the games played 19/20 Season 20/21 starts from places at start of season 19/20 Competition money in pot now goes to helping all 42 clubs based on need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: So teams get rewarded who haven't earned it. Why do Killie get two cracks at the EL? Hardly fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,712 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Dude said: So team get rewarded despite not earning it? Hardly fair. But you argue in Cellic's favour to be 'champions'? Strange person you are 😞 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: So teams get rewarded who haven't earned it. Why do Killie get two cracks at the EL? Hardly fair. If it's null and void , there has to be a point where the game can be picked up from without the need for league reconstruction. The start of 19/20 and the Euro places etc seems the fairest point for all. At this point in time the SFA has to work to protect all 42 clubs and they can do that by Null and void ALL games played 19/20 Set the start of season 20/21 from all places at start of season 19/20 Use the competition money in pot now in helping all 42 clubs based on need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Budge now saying she expects proposal to be rejected from speaking to clubs in top 2 leagues. That fills me with zero confidence . Reading last nights statement was very contradicting . I think she hasn't got a clue what is about to happen . She is just guessing like the rest of us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: So teams get rewarded who haven't earned it. Why do Killie get two cracks at the EL? Hardly fair. No outcome to this will be fair however the revert to last August scenario could possibly be the fairest as no one can predict how the league will have looked had it finished this season, unless someone was mathematically stuck in a league place then there is not a single team can say "we'd have finished in x position" Going back to last seasons positions, while tough to take for teams this season who have improved, is at least a concrete outcome as it has happened already and no one can deny it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,285 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Dude said: So teams get rewarded who haven't earned it. Why do Killie get two cracks at the EL? Hardly fair. In these uncertain times it’s comforting to see such absolute predictability - gaun yerself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Blumhoilann said: But you argue in Cellic's favour to be 'champions'? Strange person you are 😞 I'm not pretending it's some sort of fair resolution though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said: No outcome to this will be fair however the revert to last August scenario could possibly be the fairest as no one can predict how the league will have looked had it finished this season, unless someone was mathematically stuck in a league place then there is not a single team can say "we'd have finished in x position" Going back to last seasons positions, while tough to take for teams this season who have improved, is at least a concrete outcome as it has happened already and no one can deny it Doing it on points per game would also be a concrete outcome and wouldn't be as tough on teams who have improved and not rewarding those who have got worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: Doing it on points per game would also be a concrete outcome and wouldn't be as tough on teams who have improved and not rewarding those who have got worse. PPG wouldnt work as not all teams have played the same opponents, you'd have teams arguing that they have played us or the tarriers 3 times while the team above them only played the OF twice etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Doing it on points per game would also be a concrete outcome and wouldn't be as tough on teams who have improved and not rewarding those who have got worse. But your forgetting that clubs have a grievance about referees mistakes. If they choose this option then games must be reviewed because of those grievances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Jimbeamjunior said: PPG wouldnt work as not all teams have played the same opponents, you'd have teams arguing that they have played us or the tarriers 3 times while the team above them only played the OF twice etc Happens most seasons to an extent in the Scottish Premiership with home/away games. Some teams get three trips to us/them etc and only one at home or vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Dude said: I'm not pretending it's some sort of fair resolution though. Do you think it's fair? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: But your forgetting that clubs have a grievance about referees mistakes. If they choose this option then games must be reviewed because of those grievances. Clubs have had grievances about referee mistakes since long before any of us were around. Why would they start reviewing games now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, OceanRain said: Do you think it's fair? No, I don't think any resolution other than playing all 38 games is fair - but there's no way all 38 games will be played so it's about finding the least unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: Clubs have had grievances about referee mistakes since long before any of us were around. Why would they start reviewing games now? Because ref mistakes were in the complaints system prior to the coronvirus outbreak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Sweetheart said: Because ref mistakes were in the complaints system prior to the coronvirus outbreak. And? None of those would have seen the game re-refereed and results potentially changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,540 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: Happens most seasons to an extent in the Scottish Premiership with home/away games. Some teams get three trips to us/them etc and only one at home or vice versa. Thats less of an issue than say being dropped out of europe cause you lost to us or celtic in the 3rd game while that weekend the team above you played hamilton for the 3rd time and won Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Dude said: No, I don't think any resolution other than playing all 38 games is fair - but there's no way all 38 games will be played so it's about finding the least unfair. So why is Killie getting two cracks at Europe less acceptable - in your eyes - than what the SPFL have proposed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Thats less of an issue than say being dropped out of europe cause you lost to us or celtic in the 3rd game while that weekend the team above you played hamilton for the 3rd time and won Or being dropped out of Europe for the team in eighth currently because they finished third last season and two managers ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,285 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, OceanRain said: So why is Kille getting two cracks at Europe less acceptable - in your eyes - than what the SPFL have proposed? edit - wrong quote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dude said: And? None of those would have seen the game re-refereed and results potentially changed. It's the fairest way in these circumstances as complaints were made and clubs lost points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, OceanRain said: So why is Kille getting two cracks at Europe less acceptable - in your eyes - than what the SPFL have proposed? Because it is rewarding a team who are currently sat in eighth in the league and giving them a second crack at Europe when they wouldn't have got close this season - and were papped out by a welsh boozer at the start of this season. At least using this season's 80% completed campaign is a closer representation of how this season was going to end up than using the season before. There's also questios over prize money. Would Livi only be entitled to what they would have got at the end of 18/19 for winning the Championship while the team relegated last season gets a Premiership level payout (somewhere around 600k difference between bottom of Prem (1.125m) and winning Championship 562k)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, markem said: Because (and this is the crux of the matter for me) if there is no fair for everyone outcome then it’s fairer to give a club a second crack at what they did earn /did happen than award or penalise another based on what never happened. It’s by far the lesser of the evils imo. I honestly do not know how that can be argued with - I’d feel no different if we were top and clear. I'm not arguing. I was asking The Dude why he felt otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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