Top Players You Don't Rate

[JamieD 19,130]

his passing vision is on the same level as Xavi, Iniesta's...

I like and rate Beckham but steady on now.

[Jordo 33]

I don't rate players like Simao, Terry, Ramires, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Reyes, Van Persie, Richards, De Jong, Barry, Beckham, Gago, Lass Diarra, Capel, Walcott, Stankovic, Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Pepe(Juventus) Huntelaar, Ribery, Joe Cole, Defoe, Huddlestone, Crouch or Pato

Overrated?

Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Zlatan, Kaka, Ozil, Bale, Essien, Nasri, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Aguero, Cesar, Maicon, Robinho

Could probably name many more.

Deary, deary me. He should have came under the heading underrated. When do you ever hear him being called world-class ? Look at his performances this season and even tonight against England and you'll see he's not overrated. And I take it Maicon is now overrated because Bale ripped him in 2 games ? Still arguably the best right back in the world.

[rfcfraserrfc 262]

We would have all these player at rangers though

[laudrupforever 17]

Salomon Kalou or Darren Fletcher.

[PaulRFC1 115]

Passing is on the same level as Xavi? Nowhere near the passing ability.

I will give Beckham his due he had the ability to put in a good cross, but nowhere near as good as people claimed.

Gary Neville is a great crosser of the ball don't see people making him out to be god.

Each to their own.

I need my head checked when you say Beckham has this great vision?

I have watched David Beckham for years and he was very lucky that he came through at United with so many quality players beside him.

You are only what 17? How often have you seen Beckham play? Think you might need stop listening to the media bud.

Because im 17 I cant have an opinion on Beckham ?

I have seen plenty of Beckham and if you think he is a poor passer or has poor vision then you need your head checked.

Its his sublime passing, crossing and set-pieces which got him to Man Utd and Real Madrid and to play for those 2 clubs you certainly aren't over-rated.

Beckham is a superb player and he got there through hard work and dedication, look at Beckham to see what practice and hard work does.

[mmrfc1873 48]

Edit.

[Guest SandyIniesta-Nordahl]

Yeah, and in their opinion the person is wrong.

[mmrfc1873 48]

Ahh, I see, now I get it.

[Guest SandyIniesta-Nordahl]

Sorted

[mmrfc1873 48]

Cool.

[Guest SandyIniesta-Nordahl]

Aye

[mmrfc1873 48]

Yup.

[Gaz52 11,837]

I think Ramires is overrated. I don't get why they paid so much dough for him

[Guest SandyIniesta-Nordahl]

ha

[Millsyrfc1 13]

Because im 17 I cant have an opinion on Beckham ?

I have seen plenty of Beckham and if you think he is a poor passer or has poor vision then you need your head checked.

Its his sublime passing, crossing and set-pieces which got him to Man Utd and Real Madrid and to play for those 2 clubs you certainly aren't over-rated.

Beckham is a superb player and he got there through hard work and dedication, look at Beckham to see what practice and hard work does.

Usually not paul but a certain thomas gravesen did get to real madrid

[Gaz52 11,837]

Don't you guysh realishe dat da world wood be a bettah place if yoush didn't argyoo?

Wurld Peece 2000 & 10

[Guest SandyIniesta-Nordahl]

So did Julien Faubert

[PaulRFC1 115]

I love how the thread says top players you don't rate, meaning in your opinion, yet some get criticism for giving that opinion because somebody else disagree's . Pathetic.

Yes and they gave their opinion and IMO I disagreed with it so I said.

How is it pathetic ? its not as if you can't disagree with someone

If I came on here and said Messi its blatantly obvious someone is going to disagree.

[PaulRFC1 115]

Thomas Gravesen was a really good player for Everton tho.

He fell away when he moved to Real Madrid tho and I certainly don't get the Faubert transfer.

Lets just put it this way would someone who is over-rated make 400 appearances for Man United and over 150 for Real Madrid and then when you are 35 years old make over 30 appearances for Ac Milan ? and don't forget his 100+ appearances for England.

David Beckham was a quality player.

[scotty657 1]

Sergio Aguero is probably the best shoout so far.

[mmrfc1873 48]

I actually regret posting that now, I can see everybody reading this thread later and posting word for word what Paul and Sandy have already said.

No more coming on RM after being at the pub for this guy then.

[we_are_the_people 2]

Deary, deary me. He should have came under the heading underrated. When do you ever hear him being called world-class ? Look at his performances this season and even tonight against England and you'll see he's not overrated. And I take it Maicon is now overrated because Bale ripped him in 2 games ? Still arguably the best right back in the world.

In your opinion he should be in that bracket, not for me.

I'm not sure if you have heard some of the comparisons Nasri had when he was at Marseille? He was regarded as the new Zidane, fucksake!!!!

I always liked Ben Afra more than Nasri whilst everyone said Nasri was the top player, another example of him being overrated.

What had Nasri actually done before this season? I would say he had been a major letdown and at start of the season his name was mentioned as having to up his game this season.

I have always thought Cesar and Maicon were overrated personally. Do you wish for reasons why?

Because im 17 I cant have an opinion on Beckham ?

I have seen plenty of Beckham and if you think he is a poor passer or has poor vision then you need your head checked.

Its his sublime passing, crossing and set-pieces which got him to Man Utd and Real Madrid and to play for those 2 clubs you certainly aren't over-rated.

Beckham is a superb player and he got there through hard work and dedication, look at Beckham to see what practice and hard work does.

No you are trying to tell me I need my head checked when I have been watching Beckham regularly for 14 years and he was not as good a player after he left United. You are either basing your opinion on his average at best years at Real/AC or going by other's opinions.

I never said he was a poor passer, I said his vision was nowhere near as good as you were claiming, you make it out his vision is on par with Xavi.

I never once said he was not a hard worker, because he certainly needed to be with his lack of natural ability.

Yes and they gave their opinion and IMO I disagreed with it so I said.

How is it pathetic ? its not as if you can't disagree with someone

If I came on here and said Messi its blatantly obvious someone is going to disagree.

I like the discussion's on certain players, getting different views, good work

People have their own opinion's but it's boring if people don't give reasons why they believe that opinion is wrong.

Thomas Gravesen was a really good player for Everton tho.

He fell away when he moved to Real Madrid tho and I certainly don't get the Faubert transfer.

Lets just put it this way would someone who is over-rated make 400 appearances for Man United and over 150 for Real Madrid and then when you are 35 years old make over 30 appearances for Ac Milan ? and don't forget his 100+ appearances for England.

David Beckham was a quality player.

This type of post makes me cringe, tbf. No offence bud.

As already said in this thread Beckham made MEGA MONEY for both Real and AC Milan in sales of various kinds.

Not sure what him playing for AC at 34 is actually meant to prove when AC Milan are known for playing players of a very old age nowadays.

Wes Brown has made over 350 appearances for Man United, Fletcher nearly 300, John O'Shea nearly 400. What is your point?

Not to mention Gago has made over 100 appearances for Real and I think he is one of the poorest players I have seen in a very long time.

Is this where you tell me Pele is overrated because he never played for a top club?

Beckham has flopped for England for years and outside his free kick has been found wanting on the international stage. He had nothing more an an average performance career with Real Madrid and hardly set AC Milan alight, unless you care to prove me otherwise?

All in my own opinion offcourse.

[PaulRFC1 115]

I disagree with what your saying about his average performances and just disagreeing with what your saying in general.

Its all about opinions and IMO he is a quality player and in yours he isn't.

Fletcher has been a great player for Man United and the same with Wes Brown but John O'Shea is a player who I don't rate but Man United have won alot when they have been playing so they must be doing something right.

For England I would disagree with him being a flop and IMO he has turned up for England for years and thats why he has been continuously picked.

Vision comes with a quality passer IMO and I never made him out to be near Xavi.

I don't get the being poor for AC Milan because he played very well for them and that got him a return move.

For a right sided midfielder he had everything bar the pace and skill to go by someone.

Im giving reasoning for him being so good, if he was so poor why was he continuously picked ?

I don't get were Pele comes into this but with Pele he proved it on the world stage with Brazil.

What made Beckham an average player to you ? I don't see much that he lacks for a Midfielder.

[we_are_the_people 2]

Fletcher has been a great player for Man United and the same with Wes Brown but John O'Shea is a player who I don't rate but Man United have won alot when they have been playing so they must be doing something right.

I don't rate all three personally but my argument would be that certain players like Fletcher are lucky they have so many talented players beside them.

Certain individuals achieve success in this world and it's not always based on talent, this has been achieved in business, sports, music, tv shows etc.

For England I would disagree with him being a flop and IMO he has turned up for England for years and thats why he has been continuously picked.

I would say he has not delivered in the big tournaments for England. I could go into detail about him costing England against Argentina back in World Cup 98,flopping at Euro 2000 and so on, but is it worth it?

Vision comes with a quality passer IMO and I never made him out to be near Xavi.

IMO his passing game is nothing special. Beckham, Gerrard, Huddlestone are the type of players that I refer as hollywood type passers. They attempt this long diagonal pass that fails to come off frequently(Gerrard vs Stoke at weekend is perfect example)

Beckham does not have a passing ability like a Paul Scholes/Xavi/Kaka who can play a defence splitting pass through the middle of the defence. Quick one two passing etc Not once in my life have I seen Beckham produce a pass similar to Kaka against Liverpool for Crespo in CL final a few years back.

Zidane, Xavi, Scholes, Riquelme, Sneijder, Iniesta, Kaka are the type of playes who should be regarded as quality passers, Beckham is not near that standard.

His crossing is a different matter though.

I don't get the being poor for AC Milan because he played very well for them and that got him a return move.

I never said he was poor but he hardly stood out or made a big difference, I stand by he was brought back for money reasons. This was a view shared by players and representatives within AC Milan.

Here is a stat for you, in his first spell at Milan they had a 50% win ratio with Beckham in the team, 10 wins in 20 games.

In his second spell he only started 6 out of the 14 games for Milan, does that not tell you much? Managed only 1 assist and 0 goals in his second spell.

Im giving reasoning for him being so good, if he was so poor why was he continuously picked ?

At United he played his part in the team with work rate, scoring goals and having a good cross, I never disputed that in fact I stated he was a good player at Man United.

He was dropped at times for Real and as stated above he was not a regular at AC Milan.

What made Beckham an average player to you ? I don't see much that he lacks for a Midfielder.

I said his performances after United were average. David Beckham was a good player at best, imho.

Worked hard for his team, had a good cross and was good dead ball specialist.

However, I stand by he was a limited footballer and although played at the top level the fame behind him was a huge attraction to Real and AC Milan and he also came through at the most perfect time at United.

Had Beckham came through the United ranks these days his success would not nothing compared to what it has been.

[PaulRFC1 115]

Fair enough m8.

I agree with you on the passing thing because I certainly didn't mean he was in the same bracket as Xavi, Scholes, Kaka etc.