OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'm not saying that Ally hasn't made mistakes, but who else has managed our team whilst being dealt such a bad hand?1 or 4 points behind isn't exactly cataclysmic with 14 games left. 1 fit striker and 1 more to wait a few weeks for isn't exactly helpful.I just don't see any point in having a go at him when I'm not convinced anyone else could get much different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor3los_1 3,672 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Our last manager not being able to sign a player for 2 years springs to mind .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,165 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Dick Advocaat Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbear 1 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 McLeish had it bad in 2003/04 losing the likes of Ferguson, McCann, Amoruso, Konterman, Caniggia and Numan for £10.5m and replacing them with Capucho Ostenstad, Namouchi and Emerson for under £700k Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,446 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Our last manager not being able to sign a player for 2 years springs to mind ....He did spend just under £30m the 2 previous seasons though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,713 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Walter Smith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro420 398 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 McLeish had it as bad Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Walter Smith, who also didn't toe the company line when asked about our finances. This season wouldn't look so bleak overall with Walter in charge! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,446 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Most would suggest he's had more to play with than Peter Houston - how come he can produce a team that chased us off our own park?I'm struggling to think of a single Ranger who came out on top in his personal battle with his opposite number yesterday.I know other teams raise their game against us (do they, do they have to any more?) so spare us that - Ally & co know ALL about what it means to play for Rangers, so the very least they should do is get the players ready for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 Our last manager not being able to sign a player for 2 years springs to mind ....However, he did get to stockpile £20m of talent.That stockpile has been eroded in recent seasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 McLeish had it as badDid he fuck!Advocaat's squad then signed Ferguson, Buffel, Novo and many, many others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,446 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Did he fuck!Advocaat's squad then signed Ferguson, Buffel, Novo and many, many others.He did have to oversee some pretty significant cost cutting though - I wondered if that was why Villa have gone for him this time, cos he's done it before?All comes down to making best use of what limited cash is available - big Eck bought us a fair few howlers, too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 The only one who springs to mind in recent times Oleg is Alex McLeish. I thought Ally's decision yesterday to play Sasa ahead of Wylde at LM was a particularly bad one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepBelieving1872 64 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 The only one who springs to mind in recent times Oleg is Alex McLeish. I thought Ally's decision yesterday to play Sasa ahead of Wylde at LM was a particularly bad one.I know what you mean but IMO Wylde will never cut it at Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 The only one who springs to mind in recent times Oleg is Alex McLeish. I thought Ally's decision yesterday to play Sasa ahead of Wylde at LM was a particularly bad one.I see your point but the severe lack of strikers is not something I remember any manager having to cope with for more than a game or two.From memory, Eck had Arverladze, Mols, De Boer, with Latapy, McCann and Cannigia when he he started then and Prso and Novo with Buffel came later.For me, despite the downsizing McLiesh endured, he started from a better position and still spent millions.I reckon McCoist has the much tougher job when you look at what he has up front. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 He did have to oversee some pretty significant cost cutting though - I wondered if that was why Villa have gone for him this time, cos he's done it before?All comes down to making best use of what limited cash is available - big Eck bought us a fair few howlers, too!See my previous post above regarding Eck's squad.Nothing like McCoist's front line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I see your point but the severe lack of strikers is not something I remember any manager having to cope with for more than a game or two.From memory, Eck had Arverladze, Mols, De Boer, with Latapy, McCann and Cannigia when he he started then and Prso and Novo with Buffel came later.For me, despite the downsizing McLiesh endured, he started from a better position and still spent millions.I reckon McCoist has the much tougher job when you look at what he has up front.He probably does - but why did he sanction the loan deals for our youngsters ?Or perhaps this was part of a cost cut ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 John Greig, Jock Wallace 2nd spell in charge. Recently PLG comes to mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmond7 1,219 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'm pretty sure others would have gotten different results, because chances are someone else might actually play players in their positions which is bound to help. And others would even use all the playing resources available to them not just the select few who get picked no matter how they perform. Playing two left backs on the same side when there are other options is either madness or pure bloody mindedness.The off the field problems may, in some way, affect the players and staff but I'm not buying it as an excuse for one minute. The Hearts players, who neither get paid as much as ours or, we would like to think anyway, have the same talent, managed to band together and produce results even when they weren't getting any wages. So whilst Ally is the guy in charge at this moment in time, I still think someone else might well have done better with the resources available, which are still greater than all the other teams in the country, bar the tims. There's no excuses for me for a squad of players that seems to be getting worse as times go by.And the severe lack of strikers is his own fault, everyone knew we needed to strengthen the frontline even before Jelavic left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,446 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 See my previous post above regarding Eck's squad.Nothing like McCoist's front line.Agreed - all relative to where we were moving from/to in the respective periods. At the time it appeared as bad as it does now.At least Andy Little has an SPL goal to his name - don't think Ostenstad or Jeffers managed it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 358 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Obviously it doesn't paint an accurate picture of the club's financial situation behind the scenes at the time and he had Dick's squad to start with, but Eck made a significant profit for the club in the transfer market if you look at transfers in vs out alone. I certainly wouldn't say that Eck had a tougher time or situation to deal with than Ally though. Far from it because he had plenty to work with compared to Ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa6995 3,693 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Our last manager not being able to sign a player for 2 years springs to mind ....What 2 years was that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,041 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I see your point but the severe lack of strikers is not something I remember any manager having to cope with for more than a game or two.From memory, Eck had Arverladze, Mols, De Boer, with Latapy, McCann and Cannigia when he he started then and Prso and Novo with Buffel came later.For me, despite the downsizing McLiesh endured, he started from a better position and still spent millions.I reckon McCoist has the much tougher job when you look at what he has up front.mcleish posted an overall transfer profit iirc while at the club, not including getting 2 champions league group stage revenues and 1 uefa cup group stage revenue,he also won 7 domestic honours including 2 league titleshe inherited a great squad, won the treble, then was told to flog them allthe only reason we were able to sign ferguson back and buffel was because we sold boumsong for an 8mill profit, but overall eck was told to slash wages and transfer fees, meanwhile still match a celtic team MASSIVELY outspending him on transfers and wagesno one other manager has had these implications since before SDM came to the club Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORCHARD LOYAL 119 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 This is what i dont get. People cry on about having better resources than every other team in the country bar Celtic. Thats why we are sitting 2nd in the league behind the scum and in front of all the rest. Cup defeats can happen and no Manager is exempt from a small team eliminating them from a cup competition. We underestimated Falkirk and Dundee United were better than us on the day. We were out of our depth in Europe and have been for quite a while including under the management of Walter Smith. Lack of investment in the team is thr real problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemdale1873 167 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 This is what i dont get. People cry on about having better resources than every other team in the country bar Celtic. Thats why we are sitting 2nd in the league behind the scum and in front of all the rest. Cup defeats can happen and no Manager is exempt from a small team eliminating them from a cup competition. We underestimated Falkirk and Dundee United were better than us on the day. We were out of our depth in Europe and have been for quite a while including under the management of Walter Smith. Lack of investment in the team is thr real problemGood post 100% agree with it.Too many people on here just thinking sack Ally and all is well ,it aint.No manager is going to make Kerkar,Little and Healy any better than they are now, till we get someone who can invest money in the club then it really does not matter who our manager is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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