Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There have been a few threads where comment is made on Tom Vallance's badge in the photo below. It's almost certain that it's due to his status as a Scotland international.The only mystery seems to be why our first international player Moses McNiell doesn't wear one on his strip.In this Vale of Leven team photo, taken after the epic win over Rangers in the 1877 Scottish Cup Final, which needed 3 games to get a winner, you can see McGregor, Ferguson, McDougall, and Baird in the front row all sporting lion rampant badges. All were Scottish internationals. (Paton and McIntyre weren't capped until after this photo was taken).McLintock in the photo at the back, is also a Scottish international, but he seems to have a version of the Royal Scottish coat of arms (below) on his jersey for some reason.Maybe someone has a theory on Moses not sporting a badge (when it seems to be the norm for a Scotland player), and why VOL's McLintock has the coat of arms? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer 11 2,585 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There have been a few threads where comment is made on Tom Vallance's badge in the photo below. It's almost certain that it's due to his status as a Scotland international.The only mystery seems to be why our first international player Moses McNiell doesn't wear one on his strip.In this Vale of Leven team photo, taken after the epic win over Rangers in the 1877 Scottish Cup Final, which needed 3 games to get a winner, you can see McGregor, Ferguson, McDougall, and Baird in the front row all sporting lion rampant badges. All were Scottish internationals. (Paton and McIntyre weren't capped until after this photo was taken).McLintock in the photo at the back, is also a Scottish international, but he seems to have a version of the Royal Scottish coat of arms (below) on his jersey for some reason.Maybe someone has a theory on Moses not sporting a badge (when it seems to be the norm for a Scotland player), and why VOL's McLintock has the coat of arms?maybe mclintock was scotland captain and therefore had a different badge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 maybe mclintock was scotland captain and therefore had a different badge?Good theory, but I quickly checked, and Queen's Park's Joseph Taylor was captain when he got his caps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 interesting to see the old bagdes, love the blue star myself, pinched it as an avatar.be interestin to hear if anyone knows the stories behidn the badges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It was Minstral that made the strips back then, maybe he knows? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oso 122 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There have been a few threads where comment is made on Tom Vallance's badge in the photo below. It's almost certain that it's due to his status as a Scotland international.The only mystery seems to be why our first international player Moses McNiell doesn't wear one on his strip.In this Vale of Leven team photo, taken after the epic win over Rangers in the 1877 Scottish Cup Final, which needed 3 games to get a winner, you can see McGregor, Ferguson, McDougall, and Baird in the front row all sporting lion rampant badges. All were Scottish internationals. (Paton and McIntyre weren't capped until after this photo was taken).McLintock in the photo at the back, is also a Scottish international, but he seems to have a version of the Royal Scottish coat of arms (below) on his jersey for some reason.Maybe someone has a theory on Moses not sporting a badge (when it seems to be the norm for a Scotland player), and why VOL's McLintock has the coat of arms?If I remember the section from "The Gallant Pioneers" correctly, the badge was worn if you were an internationalist that year. Just checked the records and Tom Vallance was the only Rangers player who was an internationalist that season, against England (1-3 win for Scotland) and Wales (0-2 Win for Scotland). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,684 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I must be thick as fuck but I always just guessed the guy with the different badge was the keeper !! Sorry in advance for being stupid Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVB 2,560 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It was Minstral that made the strips back then, maybe he knows?Coached the team too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Vale of Leven in a later picture, with 2 of their players sporting a different lion rampant badge...McLintock, who previously had the coat of arms on his shirt, and new cap Baird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 where you gettign these pics from mustard, ancient programmes or paper clippings? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshireger 523 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It may even be something as obscure as being a goalscorer for Scotland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 If I remember the section from "The Gallant Pioneers" correctly, the badge was worn if you were an internationalist that year. Just checked the records and Tom Vallance was the only Rangers player who was an internationalist that season, against England (1-3 win for Scotland) and Wales (0-2 Win for Scotland).That makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgradeBear 27 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It may even be something as obscure as being a goalscorer for Scotland.That's a good shout or maybe after 10 caps you get a different badge. Interesting and hopefully someone knows the definitive answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 where you gettign these pics from mustard, ancient programmes or paper clippings?I got the from a Rangers blog mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,515 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Good theory, but I quickly checked, and Queen's Park's Joseph Taylor was captain when he got his caps.A Queens park player captaining Scotland, oh how times have changed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 That's a good shout or maybe after 10 caps you get a different badge. Interesting and hopefully someone knows the definitive answer.It's not goalscoring, and it's not 10 caps.I think Oso got it in an earlier post. It seems to be for players playing for Scotland that year...it seems to fit with the Vale players in the later picture...there are a couple of internationalists not wearing the badge, and I don't think they played for Scotland that year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 A Queens park player captaining Scotland, oh how times have changed.The first Scotland team was entirely made up of Queen's Park players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 McLintock wasn't an international that season, so the crest is not for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshireger 523 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Another outlandish assumption, but maybe McLintock was the player of the year or something along those lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeAndMyWeePalJoe 17 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 "Tom Vallance wore a lion rampant on his chest to symbolise the two international appearances he made that season, against England and Wales"Quoted from The Gallant Pioneers - Gary Ralston Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 McLintock wasn't an international that season, so the crest is not for that.You're right mate.Back to the drawing board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Nowt to do with the question you posed, but this was for the 21st anniversary of that 1877 final. The Rangers showing the class we were renowned for.http://www.valeofleven.org.uk/football04.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 "Tom Vallance wore a lion rampant on his chest to symbolise the two international appearances he made that season, against England and Wales"Quoted from The Gallant Pioneers - Gary Ralstonmaybe back in they day they just wore whatever badge they wanted as long as it had the manager, or clubs blessing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Nowt to do with the question you posed, but this was for the 21st anniversary of that 1877 final. The Rangers showing the class we were renowned for.http://www.valeofleven.org.uk/football04.htmlOnly 21 years after the final, and 4 of the team were dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Mustard 380 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 maybe back in they day they just wore whatever badge they wanted as long as it had the manager, or clubs blessing?I would doubt that mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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