Vanguard Bears statement

[RFC55 110,287]

We are all Mark Dingwall

Geez a loan

[chris182 6,369]

I would agree with a lot of that TBH

No one knows exactly what Whyte was doing and why he was doing it, and chances are that we'll never know

[gunslinger 270]

http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207%3Avanguardbears-statement

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Written by Steadfast

Friday, 09 March 2012 12:50

VanguardBears today issues the following statement.

VanguardBears acknowledge that we were probably the last Rangers group to refuse to completely condemn Craig Whyte. A campaign of vilification, almost from the start of his tenure, from the press, the ex board and, sadly, other Rangers groups towards Mr Whyte was later accompanied by an attempt to smear the good name of VanguardBears by individuals with an agenda and ulterior motives simply because we maintained our stance of "innocent until proven guilty." Then, and now, we refused to join the bandwagon of hysteria and supposition.

Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be. No one, not even those screaming from the rooftops, knows if he ever will be. What is clear is that his position as Chairman certainly now looks untenable.

HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued.

As recently as yesterday, conflicting stories about the state of the Club, our finances, and our future circulated and contradicted each last report. Sir David Murray, whose policies created the mess we are in, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Murray, Mr. Bain, Mr. King et al make or have made statements or decisions which are counter productive and detrimental. Sir David, who until very recently remained silent despite being the originator of our problems, especially should use his private wealth to help if he has an ounce of decency.

Influential fans cried "unity" but their interests were self seeking.

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

The written press and other media outlets have relished their work of recent weeks, of that there is no doubt. There has been a concerted campaign, led by certain individuals, to "do down" the club at every turn.

Other clubs have lowered themselves beneath dignity with their comments and demands of excessive and precedent breaking penalties. We have, though, come to expect that sort of behaviour from Rangers haters such as Celtic and Dundee United. We urge Rangers fans to consider whether our money should fill the coffers of clubs who need our away support but treat us like dirt.

Let us also mention the SFA. The conduct of Messrs. Regan, Doncaster and Liewell (in his neutral guise) has been over critical and less than supportive of a senior member club throughout. Livingston, Gretna and Dundee got support, advice and, in one case, finance to pay players from the SPL and SFL.

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value.

VanguardBears is sick to the back teeth of spin, counter spin, lies, innuendo, posturing to the fans and basically just taking every Rangers fan for a mug.

For the sake of the Rangers fans, men, women and kids, we demand this circus stop, decisions, however painful, be made and the Club be allowed to regroup, reshape and retake its rightful place in Scottish football.

Admin.

Last Updated on Friday, 09 March 2012 17:01

yeah that should help with unity

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

This is the only bit I would disagree with.

Would agree with the above.

[Sobatai 70]

Well, I think they're being unfair on the administrators. But ... but, they can hold that against Whyte, if nothing else, as the administrators were chosen by Whyte.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Yes.

And not everything revolves around your, erm, statement.

Except it is what the fukkin thread is about

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

Except it is what the fukkin thread is about

I reserve the right to widen the debate.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

I reserve the right to widen the debate.

Wide boy

[damien1 29]

Geez a loan

As long as you buy a t-shirt

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

You know what pisses me off

When someone 'quotes' a fukkin great long OP just to say two words at the end of it

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

Wide boy

[london 3]

Seems overly protective of Whyte, agenda ?

[Sobatai 70]

I reserve the right to widen the debate.

Someone tried to reserve the right to widen Whyte's eyes but it was deemed physically impossible.

[damien1 29]

Seems overly protective of Whyte, agenda ?

Not really. It just states that whilst everyone believed every word the media launched at the situation VB awaited actual facts and not sensationalism.

['o'rangerblue 89]

http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207%3Avanguardbears-statement

VanguardBears statement PDF Print E-mail

Written by Steadfast

Friday, 09 March 2012 12:50

VanguardBears today issues the following statement.

VanguardBears acknowledge that we were probably the last Rangers group to refuse to completely condemn Craig Whyte. A campaign of vilification, almost from the start of his tenure, from the press, the ex board and, sadly, other Rangers groups towards Mr Whyte was later accompanied by an attempt to smear the good name of VanguardBears by individuals with an agenda and ulterior motives simply because we maintained our stance of "innocent until proven guilty." Then, and now, we refused to join the bandwagon of hysteria and supposition.

Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be. No one, not even those screaming from the rooftops, knows if he ever will be. What is clear is that his position as Chairman certainly now looks untenable.

HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued.

As recently as yesterday, conflicting stories about the state of the Club, our finances, and our future circulated and contradicted each last report. Sir David Murray, whose policies created the mess we are in, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Murray, Mr. Bain, Mr. King et al make or have made statements or decisions which are counter productive and detrimental. Sir David, who until very recently remained silent despite being the originator of our problems, especially should use his private wealth to help if he has an ounce of decency.

Influential fans cried "unity" but their interests were self seeking.

The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems.

The written press and other media outlets have relished their work of recent weeks, of that there is no doubt. There has been a concerted campaign, led by certain individuals, to "do down" the club at every turn.

Other clubs have lowered themselves beneath dignity with their comments and demands of excessive and precedent breaking penalties. We have, though, come to expect that sort of behaviour from Rangers haters such as Celtic and Dundee United. We urge Rangers fans to consider whether our money should fill the coffers of clubs who need our away support but treat us like dirt.

Let us also mention the SFA. The conduct of Messrs. Regan, Doncaster and Liewell (in his neutral guise) has been over critical and less than supportive of a senior member club throughout. Livingston, Gretna and Dundee got support, advice and, in one case, finance to pay players from the SPL and SFL.

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value.

VanguardBears is sick to the back teeth of spin, counter spin, lies, innuendo, posturing to the fans and basically just taking every Rangers fan for a mug.

For the sake of the Rangers fans, men, women and kids, we demand this circus stop, decisions, however painful, be made and the Club be allowed to regroup, reshape and retake its rightful place in Scottish football.

Admin.

Last Updated on Friday, 09 March 2012 17:01

You know what pisses me off

When someone 'quotes' a fukkin great long OP just to say two words at the end of it

yep, hate that.

[gsa 3,906]

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value

1. The continual use of "Mr Whyte" is cringeworthy.

2. He didn't maintain the same rhetoric on using ticketus money to buy the club did he?

3. What was the mountain of debt the club couldn't pay??? Lyods had been paid by Whtye/ticketus had they not? The big tax case has not yet been concluded and the other money owed by the club to hmrc was 100% Whytes fault. He acted like a scumbag and sullied the clubs reputation by not paying paye and vat. At a time of economic hardship when hospitals, schools, armed forces need that money that is a disgrace.

4. The self importance of gruops like vanguardbears is laughable. Fuck off and open your eyes, you are an embarrassment to yourselves and thank god you speak for only a minority of Rangers fans.

5. I've just realised, this "statement" which has the whole nation gripped is just a joke isn't it? You had me! I did wonder how anyone could be so blind, pompus and self-important!

[A.T.G 10,773]

The part about the away support and the SFA and co is spot on

All of our money should go to Rangers and Rangers only

How the VB can still reserve judgement on CW is beyond belief

The fact £3.6m was sitting in an account whilst we were about to pay off normal average earning staff is a fucking disgrace

Craig Whyte has allowed the club to be dragged through the mud and Bill Struth would slap the cunt right across the puss

[caseyjones 3,009]

Not really. It just states that whilst everyone believed every word the media launched at the situation VB awaited actual facts and not sensationalism.

WOW! That is some statement.

[gunslinger 270]

WOW! That is some statement.

its true though.

[Davy 68]

Good statement.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

its true though.

It isn't though mate. They are claiming that they alone, the chosen pious ones, were the only wise sages who refused to belive senationalist journalism and didn't jump to conclusions about CW prematurely.

They weren't alone and they are arrogant to suggest that EVERYONE else behaved in the opposite fashion.

[GOAT 30,449]

I'm still laughing at this pish.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value

1. The continual use of "Mr Whyte" is cringeworthy.

2. He didn't maintain the same rhetoric on using ticketus money to buy the club did he?

3. What was the mountain of debt the club couldn't pay??? Lyods had been paid by Whtye/ticketus had they not? The big tax case has not yet been concluded and the other money owed by the club to hmrc was 100% Whytes fault. He acted like a scumbag and sullied the clubs reputation by not paying paye and vat. At a time of economic hardship when hospitals, schools, armed forces need that money that is a disgrace.

4. The self importance of gruops like vanguardbears is laughable. Fuck off and open your eyes, you are an embarrassment to yourselves and thank god you speak for only a minority of Rangers fans.

5. I've just realised, this "statement" which has the whole nation gripped is just a joke isn't it? You had me! I did wonder how anyone could be so blind, pompus and self-important!

Damn! On my iPhone and you can't do reps but that reply is well worthy of one

[damien1 29]

It isn't though mate. They are claiming that they alone, the chosen pious ones, were the only wise sages who refused to belive senationalist journalism and didn't jump to conclusions about CW prematurely.

They weren't alone and they are arrogant to suggest that EVERYONE else behaved in the opposite fashion.

That was 'my' wording, not VB's (for clarification)

Didn't realise I was righting legally biinding documents here, must do better eh.

[OneDavidCooper 2,505]

That was 'my' wording, not VB's (for clarification)

Didn't realise I was righting legally biinding documents here, must do better eh.

Yes please.

On a serious note, I'm not into slagging people off when, clearly, they have the club's best interests at heart and care enough to put the hours in. However, that statement and others like it recently do nothing to unite fans imho.