Miggy Sinclair 179 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I believe now is the right time to campaign to have the WW2 titles recognised, given that full participation took place with all the big teams and full seasons.There are a number of justifications: Full Seasons Full participation Aberdeen and Hibs quote their honours as official during this period - Rangers don't - this is key in the arguments Celtics WW1 titles stand - another injustice - in England WW1 titles are not countedActually 7 full leagues were played during WW21939-40Division 1 (this is only short campaign)Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th when it finishedFull CampaignRangers 1st, Celtic 13thWar cup - Rangers winners1940-41 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 5thLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1941-42 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 3rdLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1942-43 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 10thLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1943-44 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Hibs beat us 6-5 on corners, included in their honours1944-45 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1945-46 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 4thLeague Cup Winners - Aberdeen, included in their honoursThere seems no justification for these other clubs including honours and ours not standing, as well as Celtic including theirs for WW1.As well as winning 7 titles we also won 5 cups, 4 league cups and a war cup.In total we have been denied 12 trophies in total!With all the talk of us losing trophies - we should have these 12 included in our honours. Others have - Hibs and Aberdeen.The worst should be Celtic stripped of their WW1 titles but tbh it would be fairer just to include our 12. The main justification for taking their titles is that in England, these were suspended during WW1 - why should they have these. It's totally biased and wrong, not just morally but factually.Sporting integrity would demand that these titles should be added. If Aberdeen and Hibs include in their honours then there is no reason why we don't include in ours.Unveil the 6th star! :uk: :uk: :uk: 61 and counting.Rangers 8 Celtic 1.We welcome the chase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beattie72 170 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Hope this gathers momentum Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKGER 138 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I believe now is the right time to campaign to have the WW2 titles recognised, given that full participation took place with all the big teams and full seasons.There are a number of justifications: Full Seasons Full participation Aberdeen and Hibs quote their honours as official during this period - Rangers don't - this is key in the arguments Celtics WW1 titles stand - another injustice - in England WW1 titles are not countedActually 7 full leagues were played during WW21939-40Division 1 (this is only short campaign)Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th when it finishedFull CampaignRangers 1st, Celtic 13thWar cup - Rangers winners1940-41 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 5thLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1941-42 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 3rdLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1942-43 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 10thLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1943-44 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Hibs beat us 6-5 on corners, included in their honours1944-45 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1945-46 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 4thLeague Cup Winners - Aberdeen, included in their honoursThere seems no justification for these other clubs including honours and ours not standing, as well as Celtic including theirs for WW1.As well as winning 7 titles we also won 5 cups, 4 league cups and a war cup.In total we have been denied 12 trophies in total!With all the talk of us losing trophies - we should have these 12 included in our honours. Others have - Hibs and Aberdeen.The worst should be Celtic stripped of their WW1 titles but tbh it would be fairer just to include our 12. The main justification for taking their titles is that in England, these were suspended during WW1 - why should they have these. It's totally biased and wrong, not just morally but factually.Sporting integrity would demand that these titles should be added. If Aberdeen and Hibs include in their honours then there is no reason why we don't include in ours.Unveil the 6th star! :uk: :uk: :uk: 61 and counting.Rangers 8 Celtic 1.We welcome the chase.i didnt know all that so cheers...good points and facts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marka1979 76 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Very good thread, where do i sign Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen fish boy 8,661 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 i may be wrong but would this not be niar too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'o'rangerblue 89 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 61 and counting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,529 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Can't believe so many people want this.The only campaign should be to have other clubs not count their trophies won during wartime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Hammer 160 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I think we should count our trophies won during the war but i can find no evidence those clubs have those trophies you say in their history and the league cup never started until 1947 which is after the war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,871 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Can't believe so many people want this.The only campaign should be to have other clubs not count their trophies won during wartime.Ideally we could strip clubs of those titles during wartime but that will never happen. If clubs like Celtic count them then why should Rangers just leave them out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyc06 6,927 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level.Really? And at what point do we lose our dignity by including these titles? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Beat me to it!Stupid fucking idea anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Good OP BTW. My question is who denied us these titles in the first place? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggy Sinclair 179 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 i may be wrong but would this not be niar tooYes, it would mean we were the first to do 9IAR. Timmy in meltdown as we speak. 61 and counting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVB 2,560 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I already recognise them, and frequently remind any tim in earshot that we did 9 in a row twice as well as stuffing them 8-1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUDGIE52 9 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Can't believe so many people want this.The only campaign should be to have other clubs not count their trophies won during wartime.Kinda agree with you we either get 7 titles added or the taigs lose 4 either way its a win, win situation in my eyes.Just to add if either where to happen the taigs would go ape shit which would be the funniest thing ever to happen in Scottish football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,871 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Our championships are taintedHi bheasty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmond7 1,573 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Well the fact is undeniable that we did win these titles. They just aren't listed as 'official' title and cup wins and we don't, on the website anyway, list them amongst our honours whereas Aberdeen at least do include the Southern League Cup win of 1946 amongst their's. I personally don't see any reason these honours shouldn't be reconized, they were played, we won them so where's the problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Good OP BTW. My question is who denied us these titles in the first place?Adolf Hitler. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Hammer 160 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Our championships are taintedThats because you lot shagged weans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggy Sinclair 179 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Our championships are tainted Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'o'rangerblue 89 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Our championships are taintedcorrect, ceptics championships are tainted. bjk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 spat my Mexican bandit baguette everywhere there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 20,059 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm with Alan on this one.Which is not to say I disregard the war titles, I just consider them to be, well, unofficial war titles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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