J_RFC87 766 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Don't see why people are asking this thread to be locked, what is the point in a forum if people can't debate?I've read a couple of great posts in this thread, I suspect I'll read some more.Not locking it though unless it gets out of hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,446 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I believe now is the right time to campaign to have the WW2 titles recognised, given that full participation took place with all the big teams and full seasons.There are a number of justifications: Full Seasons Full participation Aberdeen and Hibs quote their honours as official during this period - Rangers don't - this is key in the arguments Celtics WW1 titles stand - another injustice - in England WW1 titles are not countedActually 7 full leagues were played during WW21939-40Division 1 (this is only short campaign)Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th when it finishedFull CampaignRangers 1st, Celtic 13thWar cup - Rangers winners1940-41 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 5thLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1941-42 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 3rdLeague Cup - Rangers Winners1942-43 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 10thLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1943-44 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Hibs beat us 6-5 on corners, included in their honours1944-45 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 2ndLeague Cup Winners - Rangers1945-46 LeagueRangers 1st, Celtic 4thLeague Cup Winners - Aberdeen, included in their honoursThere seems no justification for these other clubs including honours and ours not standing, as well as Celtic including theirs for WW1.As well as winning 7 titles we also won 5 cups, 4 league cups and a war cup.In total we have been denied 12 trophies in total!With all the talk of us losing trophies - we should have these 12 included in our honours. Others have - Hibs and Aberdeen.The worst should be Celtic stripped of their WW1 titles but tbh it would be fairer just to include our 12. The main justification for taking their titles is that in England, these were suspended during WW1 - why should they have these. It's totally biased and wrong, not just morally but factually.Sporting integrity would demand that these titles should be added. If Aberdeen and Hibs include in their honours then there is no reason why we don't include in ours.Unveil the 6th star! :uk: :uk: :uk: 61 and counting.Rangers 8 Celtic 1.We welcome the chase.Great Info M8..well done, you learn something every day Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,446 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Don't see why people are asking this thread to be locked, what is the point in a forum if people can't debate?I've read a couple of great posts in this thread, I suspect I'll read some more.Not locking it though unless it gets out of hand.Thanks for not locking it.Missed it beforeI only just read it and I've been educated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,446 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Adolf Hitler. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,599 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Adolf Hitler.And no, I don't agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper1972 29 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 all the blood, sweat and tears that went into winning those titles I think they should be included Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KojakMF 18 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Was it not Rangers who choose to not have them officially recorded due to those being away fighting the War? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 They should be included if games went ahead after all those players deserve the recognition of what they achieved as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper1972 29 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 They should be included if games went ahead after all those players deserve the recognition of what they achieved as well.did the players get medals for winning those titles ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelee66 233 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Maybe we should campaign to get these titles accredited to us officially, SFA records etc. But then out of respect, and class, never "officially" count them as part of our totals.No 6th star etc. How much would it hurt the darkside knowing that anytime we wanted, we could stick them up there beside the other 54, 55, 56....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,483 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 all the blood, sweat and tears that went into winning those titles I think they should be included Don't know what to say to that part above apart from go read Prince of Orange on here at 4:19pm today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Orange 84 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Maybe we should campaign to get these titles accredited to us officially, SFA records etc. But then out of respect, and class, never "officially" count them as part of our totals.No 6th star etc. How much would it hurt the darkside knowing that anytime we wanted, we could stick them up there beside the other 54, 55, 56.......What are you talking about?Where is the respect and class in pulling titles out the bag when it suits us?If they were to be recorded officially there would be no way to deny them and "never "officially" count them". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Orange 84 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Was it not Rangers who choose to not have them officially recorded due to those being away fighting the War?No, it was nothing to do with Rangers. The official league was suspended in 1939 due to the war but the clubs were allowed to arrange it among themselves with no governing body to 'officially' oversee or record anything during this period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelf 1,153 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 POO I agreed with this when the thread came about but now you have put it into perspective now. I will rep later Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 This "campaign"is an embarrassment ...no wonder this post disappeared in march and was never mentioned again until some idiot bumped itAn insult to he club and generation of people who deserve far more respect Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gboswell 4 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 What's the pride in claiming titles when every fit man from 18 to 60 was away dying in a war that they didn't have a choice if they wanted to play or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongoose 1,007 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 What's the pride in claiming titles when every fit man from 18 to 60 was away dying in a war that they didn't have a choice if they wanted to play or not.And those in WW1 were not?Septic have the titles they won (1914, 1915, 1916, 1917)included in Their records why should we NOT claim ours?That is the problem we do not Fight back this has been the problem with Rangers in the past. You can bet your House that if it was the other way round The Mhanky Mob would have had this sorted by their PR team YEARS Ago!I have NOTHING but admiration for those that went and Fought for their Country no matter what team they played for,supported etc. But the Facts are there were Men left on this side of the water, many doing important jobs for the cause and if they played on a Saturday then fair play to them!As for the age bracket you quote for fit fighting men I do not know if that is fact or not (But I have no reason to doubt you)so you are putting an age limit on the age you have to be to play in top flight football.....We better tell Pele that at 17 he has to give back his World Cup Medal won in Sweden in 1958.....or perhaps we should be stripped of the titles that Davie Weir won with us!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The best form of defence is attack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 What's the pride in claiming titles when every fit man from 18 to 60 was away dying in a war that they didn't have a choice if they wanted to play or not.As many of the armed forces died in WW1 as died in WW2 the big difference is there were as many civilians killed during the second one as there were military ... don't really see why titles from one world war should be official while titles from the other one aren't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 You actually believe any of those clubs would except it? No chance, what's good for the goose.... Regardless if they did or did not, we shouldn't be changing our policy just because those teams count them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommetoyou 60 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 What's the pride in claiming titles when every fit man from 18 to 60 was away dying in a war that they didn't have a choice if they wanted to play or not.We are not claiming anything we won them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiebreak54 151 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Were these not regional titles won during the war? If that is the case, then clearly we cannot claim them as national titles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Orange 84 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And those in WW1 were not?Septic have the titles they won (1914, 1915, 1916, 1917)included in Their records why should we NOT claim ours?That is the problem we do not Fight back this has been the problem with Rangers in the past. You can bet your House that if it was the other way round The Mhanky Mob would have had this sorted by their PR team YEARS Ago!I have NOTHING but admiration for those that went and Fought for their Country no matter what team they played for,supported etc. But the Facts are there were Men left on this side of the water, many doing important jobs for the cause and if they played on a Saturday then fair play to them!As for the age bracket you quote for fit fighting men I do not know if that is fact or not (But I have no reason to doubt you)so you are putting an age limit on the age you have to be to play in top flight football.....We better tell Pele that at 17 he has to give back his World Cup Medal won in Sweden in 1958.....or perhaps we should be stripped of the titles that Davie Weir won with us!!Obviously not read the whole thread. The league was suspended during WWII but not during WW1. It doesn't matter that certain other cretinous teams 'claim' things won during WWII the fact is they don't count. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz92 966 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I've got to ask, when did we start measuring what we do against what the manky mob do?We've worked our way to the world's most successful club whilst marking our respect to the war dead, and even if we're not by the time we make our way back to the top, we'll work our way back to that title again.Who cares if Celtic don't do the same? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broxi74 127 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 a dont know much about ww2 titles... but if teams wer relagated and promoted then they should count if not then they shoudnt... thats my take on it anyway. a may very well check that out tomorow.lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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