BlueThunder 8,454 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2115140/Rangers-crisis-David-Murray-wrong--Hugh-Adam.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 The senile old fool doesn't seem to care about the damage he's doing to the Club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Has he now moved on from claiming to know all about it, and then also that he knew nothing about them, all at the same time? Absolutely nuts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,264 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 As I've said before I'd the misfortune to have business dealings with him 20 odd years ago and he was a mad old bastard then.I'm the last person to defend David Murray but I'd believe him before Adam any day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSifter 181 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 The senile old fool doesn't seem to care about the damage he's doing to the Club.Another charlatan who was quite happy to sit in silence as long as he had a Club blazer. These guys aren't so much whistleblowers, more the geek who wanted to run with the cool kids but at the first sign of trouble turns turtle and grasses everyone up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,454 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 On the day that SFA president Campbell Ogilvie admitted having an EBT, but stressed that since the mid-1990s he’d had no part in administrating contracts, Adam concurred, saying: ‘Campbell would only have been a nominal general secretary. David (Murray) was secretive and kept these things to himself.’I think we can see what is fueling this. He doesn't care about harming Rangers as he only has one target in mind here and it doesn't matter if he damages us in the process.Anyway, if Murray kept these things secretive then how the eff does Adam know.Additionally...‘I always said there were separate contracts. I said that quite deliberately,’ he added.Didn't he say in the last interview that there were NO side contracts, that was the whole point? IE Players got bonuses form whatever source, but not in a contractual form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIJoe 98 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 He's obviously a very bitter old man who's lost the ability to distinguish between damaging Murray and damaging Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,313 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 The senile old fool doesn't seem to care about the damage he's doing to the Club.He also seems to be a bit confused.. Saying it 'should have been part of the wages'. Both his statements have been a bit all over the place, or has it just been a really long day for me? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 EXCLUSIVE: You're wrong! Adam hits out at Sir Davids EBTs defenceBy John McgarryPUBLISHED: 22:49, 14 March 2012Hugh Adam has railed against Sir David Murrays defence of EBTs, claiming they were simply part of the Ibrox stars salaries. Murray broke his silence on Tuesday to confirm the two main allegations Adam made in Sportsmail last month.The man who created Rangers Pools claimed EBTs had been used in the 1990s and that they had been excluded from player contracts registered with the SFA and SPL. If true, the second allegation would be in direct contravention of both bodies rules on player registration, which demand full disclosure of all remuneration. Having seen both bodies launch investigations in the past week, Murray defended the use of EBTs by insisting there was no obligation to detail them in contracts as there was no contractual entitlement on the part of the players.Adam, however, responded by insisting that, far from being discretionary, the money paid via EBTs was, in effect, wages.It was effectively salary and should have been included in the players wage slips, he said. It was a way of attracting players into the club. I think he (Murray) was aware that if he did that, the players would be quite happy and would stay with Rangers. If someone can give you an extra twenty grand a year that you dont have to account for, then youd jump at it.I dont see how you can have that kind of contract and just take a bit out of it as you go along.If you were trying to attract players, you had to get money from all sources. He probably wouldnt have been paying them enough in the ordinary way. Although Murray has denied the existence of a second contract containing EBT payments, employment lawyers who examined a back letter given to an unnamed player detailing bonuses believed it to be a de facto contract.Adam maintains that whatever shape it is in, there exist written agreements detailing remuneration which were not lodged with the authorities.I always said there were separate contracts. I said that quite deliberately, he added. If there hadnt been, they would have been in the main books. It wasnt included in the standard contract. Thats a certainty.On the day that SFA president Campbell Ogilvie admitted having an EBT, but stressed that since the mid-1990s hed had no part in administrating contracts, Adam concurred, saying: Campbell would only have been a nominal general secretary. David (Murray) was secretive and kept these things to himself.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2115140/Rangers-crisis-David-Murray-wrong--Hugh-Adam.html#ixzz1p8ZXEHUB Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 He is becoming a pain in the arse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager 498 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Bitter and dangerous old man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'll believe what Ogilvie has to say in regards to this over this bitter and senile cunt of a man any day! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 If you're in any doubt over the complexities of tax law, and employment law, be sure to add some guy in his dotage who used to be involved in a different role at a football club, and left it under a cloud of bitterness. Scottish Media version of an expert witness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggy Sinclair 179 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Shit stirring old bastard. Hope he snuffs it shortly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio 1,199 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Shit stirring old bastard. Hope he snuffs it shortly.Can we not use the RFFF to send him to a Pakistani wedding in lahore ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,811 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Am beginning to think Adam is one of them won't stop like a dog smelling a bone, just won't stop digging until it finds something... Well Mr Adam U have ur investigation now fuck off Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 And who the fuck is Hugh Adam? Why are these no marks popping up now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 627 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Stupid old fart,probably got his clubs mixed up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I dont get what he's trying to achieve. And if he say's Murray is secretive about all this then how can he know there was two contracts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicknote 26 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 The senile old fool doesn't seem to care about the damage he's doing to the Club.senile? source?damage he's doing? or exposing?You speak in riddles Boss, never know from which side you call. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 You speak in riddles Boss, never know from which side you call.From Rangers side, always and only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicknote 26 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 And who the fuck is Hugh Adam? Why are these no marks popping up now?Seriously, 15k posts and you don't know who Hugh Adam is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicknote 26 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 From Rangers side, always and only.Sorry, I thought you were suggesting we should believe Murray over Adam. That it was a senile old man's fault that our club has been financially mismanaged for over a decade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Have they got no shame using the ramblings of an 85yo man to sell their papers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 1,941 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry, I thought you were suggesting we should believe Murray over Adam. That it was a senile old man's fault that our club has been financially mismanaged for over a decade.No, I didn't say that. Murray's watch so his responsibility. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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