gunslinger 270 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Where did you hear that? That's way off the mark.on here and the guy provided a link to back it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 if you think they have been dishonest about something post it. I will have a look.It's not something, its many things. In all honesty, its late and I have no specifics. I guess I remained unimpressed by their frequent assertions that bids were their 'final and best' bids and distinctly unimpressed by their 'look what you could have had' press conference. Alas, this is not a battle of TBK vs anybody else. The point i'm making is that I see no reason why TBK should be treated as any more or less dishonest than Green, D&P, Miller et al. Everyone wants to buy Rangers for as cheap as it is going. Everybody will do all they can to make that happen. I can't say I fully believe any one party over another Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 It's not something, its many things. In all honesty, its late and I have no specifics. I guess I remained unimpressed by their frequent assertions that bids were their 'final and best' bids and distinctly unimpressed by their 'look what you could have had' press conference. Alas, this is not a battle of TBK vs anybody else. The point i'm making is that I see no reason why TBK should be treated as any more or less dishonest than Green, D&P, Miller et al. Everyone wants to buy Rangers for as cheap as it is going. Everybody will do all they can to make that happen. I can't say I fully believe any one party over anotherwell green and d&p have told demonstrable lies. that's why they should be viewed as more dishonest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgazbcm 55 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If a CVA fails the shares are worthless to Charles Green anyway. He'd be part of a newco that would be able to use any funding they have available to buy the assets from the oldco during the liquidation.thats my point m8 ...buying the assets from whyte/oldco aint gonna be cheap .hence the reason the imposter/whyte has made that agreement ...whyte knows whilst he has HIS admin on board he is quids in ...a CVA at this time or even 2 weeks ago was unachievable ..unless the admin/crooks are removed .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 well green and d&p have told demonstrable lies. that's why they should be viewed as more dishonest.Ha its late but I bet you have evidence of such lies.Anyway, they are liars, why should this affect one party looking to buy the club over another? Should you distrust Green just because D&P are liars? They may be genuine?Edit - oops, Just noticed you said Green is a liar too. Again, Im guessing you have documentation/evidence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Ha its late but I bet you have evidence of such lies.Anyway, they are liars, why should this affect one party looking to buy the club over another? Should you distrust Green just because D&P are liars? They may be genuine?yes of course I do. green said 20 investors. that was a lie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 yes of course I do. green said 20 investors. that was a lie.He could have 40 for all you know. Don't think there is anyway you can prove that this is a lie. He claimed there was 20 potential investors, while I don't think there will eventually be 20 investors, I don't see any reason to say that it is unquestionably untrueFrankly, if that is the level, I wouldn't say its any worse than 'this is our final and best offer' x2/3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 He could have 40 for all you know. Don't think there is anyway you can prove that this is a lie. He claimed there was 20 potential investors, while I don't think there will eventually be 20 investors, I don't see any reason to say that it is unquestionably untruehes admitted its not 20 but 5 or 6. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 He could have 40 for all you know. Don't think there is anyway you can prove that this is a lie. He claimed there was 20 potential investors, while I don't think there will eventually be 20 investors, I don't see any reason to say that it is unquestionably untrueFrankly, if that is the level, I wouldn't say its any worse than 'this is our final and best offer' x2/3trouble is the final offer thing is a rm myth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 hes admitted its not 20 but 5 or 6.5 or 6 for now. Hell, even if it is the 5 or 6, if they come to a good enough figure then that is fine by me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 thats my point m8 ...buying the assets from whyte/oldco aint gonna be cheap .hence the reason the imposter/whyte has made that agreement ...whyte knows whilst he has HIS admin on board he is quids in ...a CVA at this time or even 2 weeks ago was unachievable ..unless the admin/crooks are removed ..You really think Whyte is having secret phone calls to the administrators giving them instructions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 5 or 6 for now. Hell, even if it is the 5 or 6, if they come to a good enough figure then that is fine by me.so he lied when he said he already had 20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 trouble is the final offer thing is a rm myth.I don't think it is. I've read it in many an article and heard it from their mouths. You might say that said articles aren't exactly 100% accurate but by golly I bet that is where we have heard about the 5/6 investors and other investors pulling out.All bidders have lied through their teeth. The truth wouldn't get them anywhere near the club or the supporters trust Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 so he lied when he said he already had 20.Did he say he 'had' 20? He certainly implied that 20 were willing to invest. Scunnered by this idea that a bidder should be untrustworthy if they lie. All bidders lie Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I don't think it is. I've read it in many an article and heard it from their mouths. You might say that said articles aren't exactly 100% accurate but by golly I bet that is where we have heard about the 5/6 investors and other investors pulling out.All bidders have lied through their teeth. The truth wouldn't get them anywhere near the club or the supporters trustI've never seen it and I followed them closely. but if they said it it will be out there to be found. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadman 342 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 go to court.if HMRC went to court and got D & P removed as admin and installed their own - what makes you think that they would hand the club over to TBK (i'll include BK in that group for talkings sake) over and above any other bidder (bearing in mind that the new admin (due to being appointed by HMRC) would have HMRC's best interests as a creditor)?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 if HMRC went to court and got D & P removed as admin and installed their own - what makes you think that they would hand the club over to TBK (i'll include BK in that group for talkings sake) over and above any other bidder (bearing in mind that the new admin (due to being appointed by HMRC) would have HMRC's best interests as a creditor)?.I don't imagine they will. p Murray was pretty clear they are no longer bidders for a start tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I've never seen it and I followed them closely. but if they said it it will be out there to be found.http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/blue-knights-and-ticketus-submit-best-and-final-bid-for-rangers-7618845.htmlNobody is squeaky clean, including Green. Don't see why he's not worth a shot though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Nobody is disputing that, but why did you bring Green into it?Hoping my answer before was good enough for you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Anyway, this has been...well...horrific in a sense. Though, as the other thread pointed out, I dunno if a lot has changed. I hope that Green is given the chance to attempt his CVA. I guess tomorrow will bring all kinds of new stuff. Until then, I need my sleep Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgazbcm 55 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You really think Whyte is having secret phone calls to the administrators giving them instructions?Would need to be secret cause the imposter is nowhere to be seen ..SO YES ..So u think he isnt then ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/blue-knights-and-ticketus-submit-best-and-final-bid-for-rangers-7618845.htmlNobody is squeaky clean, including Green. Don't see why he's not worth a shot thoughok so they said it once when d&p asked for best and final bids. hardly there fault d&p had to reopen the bidding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgazbcm 55 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I genuinely believe Whyte still has some influence with David Grier at the very least. He certainly protested enough to ensure his company dealt with the administration process.this Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You really think Whyte is having secret phone calls to the administrators giving them instructions?instructions are simple get me liquidation so my dads company gets the cash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMcVeigh 0 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Would need to be secret cause the imposter is nowhere to be seen ..SO YES ..So u think he isnt then ? your avatar is far too distracting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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