Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 it's in the Herald but Bear's Den won't let me paste a copy (don't know why) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andypendek Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Single greatest article in the history of Scottish football.We are all Archie Macpherson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbblue 167 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 BBC documentary hardened views on Rangers but now different questions need to be addressedArchie MacphersonIn the past few days, we have discovered that flash floods can take the form of a weighty 145-page tax judgment.inShareI suspect new-born babies in their cradles were the only ones not swept off their feet by the tribunal verdict on Rangers. Especially vulnerable to the roaring tide were those who had cosily presented themselves as judge, jury and executioner, all in one, over the fate of Sir David Murray. This would include those who, with an insouciance that was almost breathtaking, would tell me of their "contact in the Revenue".Now, bloggers can be fantasists and there is no way of telling whether this was idle bragging or that their contact was no more than the tea lady supposedly drawing out revelations by tempting those in the know with digestive biscuits. I suspect these claims of getting people within Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs to sing like linties will now quietly subside.It is certainly indicative, though, of the extent of the involvement of those who, at the very least, clearly wished to influence perceptions of Rangers' misdemeanours. None of those people needed to tell me of Murray's failings. I criticised his prodigality, his rush of blood to the head over Tore Andre Flo, his acquiescence to Dick Advocaat on the construction of a vastly expensive training ground set against mounting debt, which admittedly was brought under control eventually, but not without considerable pain to successive managers at the club.And I would vote for any party who would legally prevent rich men from employing clever lawyers and accountants to act as satnavs to tax avoidance, which effectively is like pick-pocketing the rest of us.Yet all that is a country mile away from drawing a portrait of flagrant illegality over the use of EBTs. The paradox is that Murray's ditching of the club, when he did, meant he had no voice in the middle of the furore to fight back as Rangers took a right kicking from all quarters. This could be interpreted as a dignified silence or that of a man in an air-raid shelter waiting for the armistice to sound. Ally McCoist tried his best, but the Rangers manager is no Obama of soaring rhetoric. And Sandy Jardine on the steps of Hampden was no Mark Anthony on the steps of the Forum. So the boots swung in. And the wearer of the biggest tackety boots of all was the BBC.It seemed so sequential, ranging from the odd editing of a McCoist interview which certainly was not intended to portray him as soothsayer of the month, right through various programmes which suggested it was open-season on Rangers, since they had no case to answer.At the crux of all this was their award-winning documentary delving into what they perceived to be the murky depths of possible illicit payments at Ibrox. With respect to all the other media organs wading into Rangers, this programme was the real game-changer.I have not met one person yet who came away from that programme not concluding that Murray was up to no good. Even though it performed a valuable public exercise in exposing the dastardly Craig Whyte for what he truly is, at its core was the reference to Murray and EBTs. For, without the Damoclean tax sword hanging over Murray's head on this issue, Whyte would not have materialised in the first place.There is little doubt that views on Rangers hardened considerably on the back of a programme which allowed viewers to interpret inferences in their own way. That style was in fact a subtle and nuanced incrimination. The simple demonstration of the convoluted system of paying players by whatever means and the programme's passing on of evidence to appropriate authorities created that very sense of exposure of duplicity. As a piece of television it truly merited its award but, at the same time, whether through unintended consequences or not, it hardened views among Scottish Premier League members who were to vote on Rangers' future some weeks later and leant a credence to the word "cheating", effectively helping to move its province from the outlandish websites right into the heart of football discussion at the highest level.Rangers were thoroughly discredited by this programme even though, if it was motivated by a presumption of guilt on Murray's part, that has now been blown out of the water. I hope the pendulum of journalistic impartiality still exists there in what is one of the most valuable of public institutions.I admit to being hyper-sensitive about deliberate agendas as, when I joined the BBC more than four decades ago, I found myself in a departmental anti-Catholic, anti-Celtic ethos which I had to fight against; successfully, I have to claim, as Jock Stein became a regular associate of mine as an analyst when previously he would not have been seen dead inside Queen Margaret Drive. This was not done to curry favour at Celtic Park, although the other side of the city thought it was. It was just the right battle to take on for the sake of integrity.To ensure that the pendulum of impartiality in the BBC's splendid new building is still pointing towards the centre of the earth and hasn't swung too far one way or the other, out of public interest, perhaps the same skilled people should put together a documentary dealing with the following questions:Why were Rangers singled out for such forensic examination when other parallel schemes existed in other institutions?Why did it take such an inordinate time for the tax tribunal to come to a decision when it was universally known that a club could have been on the verge of extinction?Would an examination of alleged leaks by HMRC serve any useful purpose?All this could not be done, of course, before the next tribunal chaired by Lord Nimmo in January, to which there should be no real objection and about which I have already been told by the same bloggers mentioned before that Rangers will have titles stripped and be forced to make reparations for the money they were awarded as a result, which could put them out of business before the end of this season.So already the verdict is in. Who am I to question that? But, in preparation for an adjudication that might end up in another flash flood of surprise, those who have made up their minds already should have sandbag protection to hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter 5,627 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I suspect new-born babies in their cradles were the only ones not swept off their feet by the tribunal verdict on Rangers. Especially vulnerable to the roaring tide were those who had cosily presented themselves as judge, jury and executioner, all in one, over the fate of Sir David Murray. This would include those who, with an insouciance that was almost breathtaking, would tell me of their "contact in the Revenue".Now, bloggers can be fantasists and there is no way of telling whether this was idle bragging or that their contact was no more than the tea lady supposedly drawing out revelations by tempting those in the know with digestive biscuits. I suspect these claims of getting people within Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs to sing like linties will now quietly subside.It is certainly indicative, though, of the extent of the involvement of those who, at the very least, clearly wished to influence perceptions of Rangers' misdemeanours. None of those people needed to tell me of Murray's failings. I criticised his prodigality, his rush of blood to the head over Tore Andre Flo, his acquiescence to Dick Advocaat on the construction of a vastly expensive training ground set against mounting debt, which admittedly was brought under control eventually, but not without considerable pain to successive managers at the club.And I would vote for any party who would legally prevent rich men from employing clever lawyers and accountants to act as satnavs to tax avoidance, which effectively is like pick-pocketing the rest of us.Yet all that is a country mile away from drawing a portrait of flagrant illegality over the use of EBTs. The paradox is that Murray's ditching of the club, when he did, meant he had no voice in the middle of the furore to fight back as Rangers took a right kicking from all quarters. This could be interpreted as a dignified silence or that of a man in an air-raid shelter waiting for the armistice to sound. Ally McCoist tried his best, but the Rangers manager is no Obama of soaring rhetoric. And Sandy Jardine on the steps of Hampden was no Mark Anthony on the steps of the Forum. So the boots swung in. And the wearer of the biggest tackety boots of all was the BBC.It seemed so sequential, ranging from the odd editing of a McCoist interview which certainly was not intended to portray him as soothsayer of the month, right through various programmes which suggested it was open-season on Rangers, since they had no case to answer.At the crux of all this was their award-winning documentary delving into what they perceived to be the murky depths of possible illicit payments at Ibrox. With respect to all the other media organs wading into Rangers, this programme was the real game-changer.I have not met one person yet who came away from that programme not concluding that Murray was up to no good. Even though it performed a valuable public exercise in exposing the dastardly Craig Whyte for what he truly is, at its core was the reference to Murray and EBTs. For, without the Damoclean tax sword hanging over Murray's head on this issue, Whyte would not have materialised in the first place.There is little doubt that views on Rangers hardened considerably on the back of a programme which allowed viewers to interpret inferences in their own way. That style was in fact a subtle and nuanced incrimination. The simple demonstration of the convoluted system of paying players by whatever means and the programme's passing on of evidence to appropriate authorities created that very sense of exposure of duplicity. As a piece of television it truly merited its award but, at the same time, whether through unintended consequences or not, it hardened views among Scottish Premier League members who were to vote on Rangers' future some weeks later and leant a credence to the word "cheating", effectively helping to move its province from the outlandish websites right into the heart of football discussion at the highest level.Rangers were thoroughly discredited by this programme even though, if it was motivated by a presumption of guilt on Murray's part, that has now been blown out of the water. I hope the pendulum of journalistic impartiality still exists there in what is one of the most valuable of public institutions.I admit to being hyper-sensitive about deliberate agendas as, when I joined the BBC more than four decades ago, I found myself in a departmental anti-Catholic, anti-Celtic ethos which I had to fight against; successfully, I have to claim, as Jock Stein became a regular associate of mine as an analyst when previously he would not have been seen dead inside Queen Margaret Drive. This was not done to curry favour at Celtic Park, although the other side of the city thought it was. It was just the right battle to take on for the sake of integrity.To ensure that the pendulum of impartiality in the BBC's splendid new building is still pointing towards the centre of the earth and hasn't swung too far one way or the other, out of public interest, perhaps the same skilled people should put together a documentary dealing with the following questions:Why were Rangers singled out for such forensic examination when other parallel schemes existed in other institutions?Why did it take such an inordinate time for the tax tribunal to come to a decision when it was universally known that a club could have been on the verge of extinction?Would an examination of alleged leaks by HMRC serve any useful purpose?All this could not be done, of course, before the next tribunal chaired by Lord Nimmo in January, to which there should be no real objection and about which I have already been told by the same bloggers mentioned before that Rangers will have titles stripped and be forced to make reparations for the money they were awarded as a result, which could put them out of business before the end of this season.So already the verdict is in. Who am I to question that? But, in preparation for an adjudication that might end up in another flash flood of surprise, those who have made up their minds already should have sandbag protection to hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymcm 25 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 sorry double post Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben10 2,294 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Very tamely written and filled with gingerly described disgrace. Also re-ignites the age-old myth that every man and his dog were against Catholics at one point. Yawn.I certainly didn't need to read it three times Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiadreamin52 339 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Good article Archie but another programme can never undo the damage that has been done the people that count know the truth, the same people who stood by them through good and bad days so let the fans get on with build Rangers bigger and better. Quite frankly the Scottish Media is not worth a FCUK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 I disagreed with him on HMRC.....there has to be an investigation into those leaks. Also I remember Advocaat saying Murray offered him another £7 million fo4r buying a player but he chose to build MP because he felt that was investing in the future.Advocaat was right !Otherwise Archie's suggesting BBC were very one sided as Traynor has said. At least some journos are coming out on this formerly taboo subject Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef 436 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I honestly thought after a not guilty verdict the clamour would turn to the very real travesty of hmrc leeks and the insane ramblers of misinformation. It seems only the odd few will speak out. Then again anyone who does is instantly thrown on the trying to save thr asses scrapheap, where are these professional in what they do writers and investigative journalists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,420 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Read it but still wee digs here and there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,420 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Single greatest article in the history of Scottish football.We are all Archie Macpherson.Your easily pleased Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bump 168 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 archie gives it tight to the bbc but many more loved to stick the knife in,with our support behind our team we can beat them all hands down so bring it on.WATP :21: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger50champ 300 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Don't know what some of you are reading but I think Archie has always spoken a lot of shite and it seems he hasn't changed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 A good article. Some wee digs which are probably meant to show some unbiased reporting, but it is strong and makes very very valid points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,715 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 He's right about the BBC and they should be the 1st up in front of the wigs imo.Too many think,well it was on the BBC,It must be true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Even in such an article Archie McCeltic still cant hide his true colours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,727 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Single greatest article in the history of Scottish football.We are all Archie Macpherson.Traynor's article yesterday was better I thought Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 The BBC used to be anti catholic and anti Celtic? So is he saying their not like that anymore it's the other way about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 The BBC used to be anti catholic and anti Celtic? So is he saying their not like that anymore it's the other way about?yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Very tamely written and filled with gingerly described disgrace. Also re-ignites the age-old myth that every man and his dog were against Catholics at one point. Yawn.I certainly didn't need to read it three timesyou could have just skip read the 2nd and third postings of the content - l Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,057 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 McPherson, Traynor (well apart from those who were murdering us with glee) and the rest of the press come under this heading - "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Not one lifted a finger to help. - This can never be forgotten ! EVER ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger50champ 300 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 A good article. Some wee digs which are probably meant to show some unbiased reporting, but it is strong and makes very very valid points. absolute. Tosh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger50champ 300 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Why come out with such a statement .its typical of this man that it's about his experience trying to portray himself as some sort of leader in change in the 60s .Fucking detest him and have since I was a wee boy .For years we had to listen to his commentaries and always having digs at Gers while talking up the beggars .Listen I've still got all the old VHS tapes of the old games and put together a montage of Conspiracy decisions that went against Rangers .Even in that he gets on my tits .Count me out of the Archibald McPherson fan club .with him it's always about him and no trying to defend us even slightly will convince me otherwise Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 A good article. Some wee digs which are probably meant to show some unbiased reporting, but it is strong and makes very very valid points.A g&t with auld weetabix heed down the bothwell bridge lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 No one knows the bbc like archie Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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