Mr Blue 64 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 We're not the most demanding supportsThat's my whole pointThe majority clearly feel we haven't reached the point where change is imminently required. Ally still has room to change opinion, whether it be to his benefit or downfall, with his job being brought into question you can bet that the support are watching closely and tbh I believe this season is either sink or swim for Ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 The majority clearly feel we haven't reached the point where change is imminently required. Ally still has room to change opinion, whether it be to his benefit or downfall, with his job being brought into question you can bet that the support are watching closely and tbh I believe this season is either sink or swim for Ally.I appreciate that type of post and its fair enough However I believe prevention is better than cure and the Super Ally brigade make things worse, sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yeah but followings and support change all the time how can you compare the support of 30 years ago to now?Easy - they are all Rangers supporters. Why would you think it's so much different and what is it you think is different?Back then, when we weren't winning league titles and the football was rank, tens of thousands of them walked until we showed we would improve.The idea the support isn't demanding doesn't hold water. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Easy - they are all Rangers supporters. Why would you think it's so much different and what is it you think is different?Back then, when we weren't winning league titles and the football was rank, tens of thousands of them walked until we showed we would improve.The idea the support isn't demanding doesn't hold water.There's always demands at a team like us but the support would happily sacrifice our winning mentality and being the worlds most successful club for giving McCoist a free reign - straight swap Not for me sorry I take winning more seriously than others Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I appreciate that type of post and its fair enoughHowever I believe prevention is better than cure and the Super Ally brigade make things worse, sorry People supporting McCoist - for whatever their reason - make things worse? I think McCoist deserves a chance at a normal season and I know that can't happen until next season. By normal I mean no transfer ban of any sort to contend with, some stability about the club and his chance to buy and sell players as so many others have been able to do.I have no idea why you think that makes things worse - who is it making it worse for and how is it doing so? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I've explained why it makes things worse it encourages a trend which in turn makes directors a d CEOs think he's untouchable He'd have been binned ages ago if it was anyone else without this level of supportIs it only me that sees this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 There's always demands at a team like us but the support would happily sacrifice our winning mentality and being the worlds most successful club for giving McCoist a free reign - straight swapNot for me sorryI take winning more seriously than othersYou just said we aren't a demanding support!And, JG, the idea that you take winning more seriously than others has no basis in fact. I've just highlighted what can happen when we weren't winning titles.Ibrox emptied - were the tens of thousands who wouldn't accept it taking winning seriously? Were those of us who still followed not taking it seriously? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I said always have demands Even supporters if the worst team in the world have demandsIt's about how you measure those demands and what you expectAs I said me personally I expect and think we deserve better, you obviously don't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 People supporting McCoist - for whatever their reason - make things worse? I think McCoist deserves a chance at a normal season and I know that can't happen until next season. By normal I mean no transfer ban of any sort to contend with, some stability about the club and his chance to buy and sell players as so many others have been able to do.I have no idea why you think that makes things worse - who is it making it worse for and how is it doing so?Transfer ban issues are a red herring when we're playing at this level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Moses mate lets cut the back and forth rhetoric Simple question Do you think we should be deserving and aiming higher? In regards to performances and results since McCoist took over Lets leave excuses and what might happen in your opinion in the future to the side What you've seen with your own two eyes, be honest.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I've explained why it makes things worse it encourages a trend which in turn makes directors a d CEOs think he's untouchableHe'd have been binned ages ago if it was anyone else without this level of supportIs it only me that sees this?Rangers directors have gotten rid of (one way or another) people every bit as popular with the support as McCoist.Jock Wallace felt the need to leave on the back of winning a treble! Can you even begin to imagine how popular he was with the support at that time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Rangers directors have gotten rid of (one way or another) people every bit as popular with the support as McCoist.Jock Wallace felt the need to leave on the back of winning a treble! Can you even begin to imagine how popular he was with the support at that time?Different directors getting rid of different people in different decades mate It's not the same ages - you've said so yourself bud Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I predict with an air of certainty, backed with information from reliable sources within Ibrox, that Ally will be gone sometime in the future. I'll even wager on the fact.Anything else is mere speculation and innuendo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I predict with an air of certainty, backed with information from reliable sources within Ibrox, that Ally will be gone sometime in the future. I'll even wager on the fact.Anything else is mere speculation and innuendo.Whet sort if timeframe roughly? Out of curiosity? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Transfer ban issues are a red herring when we're playing at this level.The transfer ban was a red herring when we had next to no players last summer and, what was it, a week to sort it out?That's an incredible claim to make. Utterly ridiculous in fact - as proved by the quality of player McCoist has went for this summer when he's had both the time and Mather willing to back him.And it's a red herring this summer when McCoist has no choice but to chop and change the team wildly from one week to the next? No wonder Jesus wept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 The transfer ban was a red herring when we had next to no players last summer and, what was it, a week to sort it out?That's an incredible claim to make. Utterly ridiculous in fact - as proved by the quality of player McCoist has went for this summer when he's had both the time and Mather willing to back him.And it's a red herring this summer when McCoist has no choice but to chop and change the team wildly from one week to the next? No wonder Jesus wept.We had about a month to sort it last summer and 9 players came in, more than enough for the third division. McCoist's activity this summer shows his short term, spend spend attitude to sort the problems. That's not to say I won't enjoy watching these signings or that they won't make a difference but it's still far more than we need for a part time division. The signings being missing is no excuse whatsoever for losing to Forfar either. I'd rather that once we are spending transfer fees again we give it to a better manager to spend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Different directors getting rid of different people in different decades mateIt's not the same ages - you've said so yourself budYou plucked an opinion from somewhere - and you can't back it with any evidence because there is none. The ages differ - the demand for success from the Rangers support hasn't changed.Moses mate lets cut the back and forth rhetoricSimple questionDo you think we should be deserving and aiming higher? In regards to performances and results since McCoist took overLets leave excuses and what might happen in your opinion in the future to the sideWhat you've seen with your own two eyes, be honest....I can't accept that McCoist could have done anything much more about the administration nightmare season under that cunt Whyte.First season in charge thereafter - transfer ban and all the other storms raging around the club he helped a team of youngsters and a few decent pros to win the league he had to compete in.He'll do so again this year - I'm not for sacking McCoist until he has his chance at a normal season. Or he fails to win one of the lower league titles. I'd also expect McCoist to know better than anyone when his time is up.He was dedicated enough to show us the respect I felt we deserved from those at the club when Whyte tried all he could to destroy us - he has earned the right to have that respect shown to him.Poor, inconsistent performances and some dodgy results are inevitable from a hugely imbalanced team such as McCoist had to work with last season. I'd expect much, much less of it this season - after things settle down in September when McCoist can regularly field his preferred line-up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosesMcNeil 1,664 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 We had about a month to sort it last summer and 9 players came in, more than enough for the third division. McCoist's activity this summer shows his short term, spend spend attitude to sort the problems. That's not to say I won't enjoy watching these signings or that they won't make a difference but it's still far more than we need for a part time division. The signings being missing is no excuse whatsoever for losing to Forfar either.I'd rather that once we are spending transfer fees again we give it to a better manager to spend.McCoist cannot spend a single penny on transfers and, furthermore, cannot spend a single penny without the agreement of the board. Are you seriously trying to criticise him for making efforts to deliver the best team he can for us?I've not offered an excuse for Forfar - it was fucking ridiculous. But, I'm not reacting hysterically either and demanding we sack the manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihaveamullet 10 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I've not offered an excuse for Forfar - it was fucking ridiculous. But, I'm not reacting hysterically either and demanding we sack the manager.I'm not okay with the Forfar result, but I keep remembering that Ally had to play the team he essentially was trying to replace. That, and every team loses matches they shouldn't. This wasn't our first terrible result and it won't be the last, no matter who the manager is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 If McCoist was to be sacked it would make a bit of a mess of Greens comments on SSN yesterday. How can the bar be set at the league plus a cup if you fire the manager before the league season starts? As for his comments on Green, why sack the manager for comments about comments by a consultant. Again it would make a mess of what Green was saying on SSN, "Mather is doing a great job, let him get on with it".As for Guidi, it's a great way of taking folks eyes of the mounting problems at c****c with their fans. With two parts of their ground closed I wonder just how many season books they have actually sold? Likewise they're not exactly dead certs to progress in the CL play off tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 We had about a month to sort it last summer and 9 players came in, more than enough for the third division. McCoist's activity this summer shows his short term, spend spend attitude to sort the problems. That's not to say I won't enjoy watching these signings or that they won't make a difference but it's still far more than we need for a part time division. The signings being missing is no excuse whatsoever for losing to Forfar either. I'd rather that once we are spending transfer fees again we give it to a better manager to spend.Keep telling yourself this, you might even make yourself believe it. Do you honestly believe that Green wants to spend cash on transfer fees? If the club is in such financial peril as some would have us believe, where would this transfer cash come from? Maybe by selling our best players perhaps, but where would that leave the the league plus a cup demand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekweir29 505 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Gets my backing all the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faircity 186 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 You plucked an opinion from somewhere - and you can't back it with any evidence because there is none. The ages differ - the demand for success from the Rangers support hasn't changed.I can't accept that McCoist could have done anything much more about the administration nightmare season under that cunt Whyte.First season in charge thereafter - transfer ban and all the other storms raging around the club he helped a team of youngsters and a few decent pros to win the league he had to compete in.He'll do so again this year - I'm not for sacking McCoist until he has his chance at a normal season. Or he fails to win one of the lower league titles. I'd also expect McCoist to know better than anyone when his time is up.He was dedicated enough to show us the respect I felt we deserved from those at the club when Whyte tried all he could to destroy us - he has earned the right to have that respect shown to him.Poor, inconsistent performances and some dodgy results are inevitable from a hugely imbalanced team such as McCoist had to work with last season. I'd expect much, much less of it this season - after things settle down in September when McCoist can regularly field his preferred line-up....Spot on mate.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger_onimo 20,488 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I imagine that a lot of the pro-Ally singing is an attempt to defend the man rather than the manager. Shouldn't be necessary, but some of the criticism has gone way beyond his managerial ability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Green and Stockbridge both said today his job was secure.I don't think they have the balls to do it right now. This EGM call will play out first, the manager isn't really that important right now. If Green's team survive a vote then it might well be the first thing they do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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