*Manticore* 1,893 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Didnt stop plod, team handed, wading into the UB at Ibrox last season.Seems to me more like they have been told to police the scum with a different approach to every other football fan.You could be right, but a couple of cases don't establish anything.If the police have been told something along those lines it's because they know what we all do, that the taigs are fucking animals that can't be controlled by normal measures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 You could be right, but a couple of cases don't establish anything.If the police have been told something along those lines it's because they know what we all do, that the taigs are fucking animals that can't be controlled by normal measures.Precisely. Different strokes for different folks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Didnt stop plod, team handed, wading into the UB at Ibrox last season.Seems to me more like they have been told to police the scum with a different approach to every other football fan.Ha Ha.... supposedly.. We are still waiting on the UB putting up the proof of that. Police tried to remove a guy. UB tried to stop it and all left accusing the police of all sorts and not proving any of it. The trouble at Fir Park was a dammed site worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ha Ha.... supposedly.. We are still waiting on the UB putting up the proof of that. Police tried to remove a guy. UB tried to stop it and all left accusing the police of all sorts and not proving any of it. The trouble at Fir Park was a dammed site worse.Ha Ha....Aye nae bother. I watched it happening. Were you at that game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ha Ha....Aye nae bother. I watched it happening. Were you at that game?Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ha Ha....Aye nae bother. I watched it happening. Were you at that game?I was actually. They were asked for the proof in her numerous times and none was ever forthcoming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 YesSorry? Was that question meant for you? Or are you just answering on behalf of your little handringing friend? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I was actually. They were asked for the proof in her numerous times and none was ever forthcoming.Course you were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Sorry? Was that question meant for you? Or are you just answering on behalf of your little handringing friend?waaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhhaaaaaaaaa :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Sorry? Was that question meant for you? Or are you just answering on behalf of your little handringing friend?Why am I wringing my hands this time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Why am I wringing my hands this time?"handringing". He is getting all festive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 "handringing". He is getting all festive.Ah shit my mistake. I thought there was a w in there. Ho ho ho Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Dude will no doubt answer for himself D'Art, but I was thinking about this last night.I concluded, just guesswork mind, that such decisions are probably made by the match commander or similar. It's clearly a complex operational decision for the police, the wrong decision could lead to a riot and all the consequences that follow.So whether quick intervention is likely to end or aggravate a tense situation must be quite a tough judgement call. I have no way of knowing whether they made the right call on the night.What do you think?A number of considerations M.I would echo the dangers you highlighted of a riot developing for intervening in fairly minor scale criminal conduct. At the end of the day the Police are present at football matches to ensure public safety.I can see when there are no direct victims (and please dont anyone suggest Im attempting to minimalise anything) such as naughty singing that the retrospective use of cctv evidence is the best way to tackle such conduct.However when there is ongoing damage to property Im not quite convinced this is the best way to tackle it. Furthermore where is the line drawn between intervention and retrospective enquiry ? ie what if an individual was being attacked ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ah shit my mistake. I thought there was a w in there. Ho ho hoGood to get back to some classic Handwringing RM comments.Old Skool..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 A number of considerations M.I would echo the dangers you highlighted of a riot developing for intervening in fairly minor scale criminal conduct. At the end of the day the Police are present at football matches to ensure public safety.I can see when there are no direct victims (and please dont anyone suggest Im attempting to minimalise anything) such as naughty singing that the retrospective use of cctv evidence is the best way to tackle such conduct.However when there is ongoing damage to property Im not quite convinced this is the bast way to tackle it. Furthermore where is the line drawn between intervention and retrospective enquiry ? ie what if an individual was being attacked ?If it escalates to the point where people are being attacked then they must step in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 If it escalates to the point where people are being attacked then they must step in.That was probably a pretty stupid hypothetical I made there Dude - I think that is probably obvious.How about though if there were young children near to where all that vandalism etc was ongoing - would that warrant intervention ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 That was probably a pretty stupid hypothetical I made there Dude - I think that is probably obvious.How about though if there were young children near to where all that vandalism etc was ongoing - would that warrant intervention ?Again, it would depend on the risk to them and others around. It wouldn't be unfair to suggest that there was children nearby on Friday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Good to get back to some classic Handwringing RM comments.Old Skool.....Ooft. Nearly shit myself there... being ganged up on by 2 of the biggest fannies on here.My bottles crashed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ooft. Nearly shit myself there... being ganged up on by 2 of the biggest fannies on here.My bottles crashed Not like to have a bottle in your hand... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1690 793 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Not like to have a bottle in your hand...Extremely poor comeback. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Ooft. Nearly shit myself there... being ganged up on by 2 of the biggest fannies on here.My bottles crashed :thumbup: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Extremely poor comeback. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Will they be investigating the celtic fans who had a coffin at ibrox? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 VB response to an insane blogger http://www.vanguardb...mic-relief.htmlHard hitting - wadda ya think? :lol: :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 A number of considerations M.I would echo the dangers you highlighted of a riot developing for intervening in fairly minor scale criminal conduct. At the end of the day the Police are present at football matches to ensure public safety.I can see when there are no direct victims (and please dont anyone suggest Im attempting to minimalise anything) such as naughty singing that the retrospective use of cctv evidence is the best way to tackle such conduct.However when there is ongoing damage to property Im not quite convinced this is the best way to tackle it. Furthermore where is the line drawn between intervention and retrospective enquiry ? ie what if an individual was being attacked ?I presume if people were considered to be in danger the balance of action would change. However it may have only been property involved, but had it been my property I would have been fuming to see police basically observing.It would be interesting to know what input, if any, the clubs had to police tactics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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