Judge Smails 13 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I will leave you to your little bubble, always best when posters invent scenarios, incidentally who invented the bold do we know who said that you apart ?I was paraphriasing you earlier theory - No debt, so all good - That one.Why can't you just answer my simple question?Making money or losing money?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I would hope all discussions are honest and represent a clean slate going forward.And I hope that next Christmas a big fat man in a red suit brings me Scarlet Johansson as a Christmas present Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I was paraphriasing you earlier theory - No debt, so all good - That one.Why can't you just answer my simple question?Making money or losing money??You certainly never paraphrased anything I said, that will be why you failed to understand the simple straightforward answer, that and of course it doesn't suit your leaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujolais 1,371 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Well what is clear is that Rangers is not making money with its current operational set up and expenditure. What is also true is that it is a fact that we are quickly eroding away the capital raised by the IPO- which is a far from healthy set of affairs, and a set up the Graham Wallace has inherited and is therefore not of his making. It is also a set up which if not radically cut and if there is no further invested capital into the Club will create an insolvency situation- certainly in cash flow terms.Graham Wallace has however been tasked with sorting out the problem. He needs to be allowed to get on with the job he has been hired to do, without being answerable to every Tom, Dick and Harry that claims to speak for the support. He is answerable. Answerable to the Shareholders via the board they have elected to oversea his management of the Club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Smails 13 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 You certainly never paraphrased anything I said, that will be why you failed to understand the simple straightforward answer, that and of course it doesn't suit your leaning. Making money or losing money? (X3) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wake up if the IPO money was not there how the hell do you think we would be still going and what happens when it runs out, cuts have to be made and they have to be made shortly, you might not believe it but a% of fans are seriously thinking of without holding season ticket money because of the way the club is has been run.They are more than entitled not to renew their ST, but I hope they don't come running back when we are back in the top league and Wallace has swung things around.The man said 120 days, and I will give him 120 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Every article about us just now just sounds like it's trying to sell Lee Wallace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Make some hard decisions if we are going to be in the shit shortly, like maybe removing Mr Irvine and saving some money.You do realise Irvine will be on an external contract dont you.How much do you think he would save exactly ?I know the answer by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 35,406 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Dealing with the Wallace transfer issue , asked players to take a pay cut , Stockbridge gone - and we're about halfway through the 120 days he asked to review things. Seems to me he's ahead of the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 you might not believe it but a% of fans are seriously thinking of without holding season ticket money because of the way the club is has been run.Then, these fans, will be responsible if we find ourselves in admin2 come August......NOT Graham Wallace or anyone on the current Board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 For the first time in recent history and im talking the last 28 years here, we have a man in charge who sees the game the way it needs to be played.He has told everyone that there is no point in going looking for investment when all we can show is a £5m to £12m operating loss year on year. He is 100% spot on. Paul Murray spoke about how Rangers was run when he was on Board, based on a Domestic break even policy and whilst he was talking a complete load of horse shite, the idea of doing so is where we need to be at. Our Income should be £23m. Our Expenditure should be £23m. Wallace recognises this and has told us that is what he is going to do. This will NOT happen in 40 days, or 80 days or even 121 days. It will take the whole of next season but i 100% believe Wallace will get it right. And when he does get it right, then he can go to Major Investors and show them the model that will secure our future.The crazy thing about this whole Lee Wallace situation, not withstanding the ridiculous views from our fans that somehow his value has increased since we bought him despite playing in the Lower leagues, is that if Murray Co had got in and had sold Lee Wallace, then "the spivs" would be getting all the blame from fans and Murray Co alike.It appears this does not extend to our New Board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow argyle 1,093 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think Rangers are an exceptional investment - as things stand.A club who are on an almost certain rise and will be competeing in Europe within 5 years.i certainly hope you are correct.however to compete in the Premier League, never mind Europe, we need a lot of money. and i hope the C.E.O. has plans to raise money from somewhere.i am surprised at the amount of fans who seem content to have our club, run on the same lines as pre Souness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian 4,281 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 i certainly hope you are correct.however to compete in the Premier League, never mind Europe, we need a lot of money. and i hope the C.E.O. has plans to raise money from somewhere.i am surprised at the amount of fans who seem content to have our club, run on the same lines as pre Souness.How on earth is the club being run as pre sounds?Can you please explain that nonsense ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Aye of course i did...silly me for reading what's said about them on other forums or what's being displayed at games etc.They talk about the board and ergo Wallace is head of the board.An example:Bang on mate. I don't trust Wallace one jot. I always wonder why our number 1 choice of CEO (Scott Gardiner), a lifelong Rangers, fan took one look at the job and turned it down flat.Wallace is just another spiv but already he's got the Scottish media and the wider Rangers support eating out of his hand. He presided over record losses at Man City.The Rangers fans imo are lions led by donkeys and it looks like their just about to pull their cheeks apart for another shafting by the spivs. The spivs must be p1ssing themselves at how easy it is to shaft these dumb "Jocko's" time and again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,862 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Blouie banned again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow argyle 1,093 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 How on earth is the club being run as pre sounds?Can you please explain that nonsense ?try specsavers mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Blouie banned again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Ahh how I missed the input of the stretched hoop accountancy experts, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wake up if the IPO money was not there how the hell do you think we would be still going and what happens when it runs out, cuts have to be made and they have to be made shortly, you might not believe it but a% of fans are seriously thinking of without holding season ticket money because of the way the club is has been run.They can fuck off then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,873 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Although these groups are not fully representative of our massive support base, in fact, they don't come anywhere near it, and to a lot of supporters, they are distasteful in their manner and approach to issues, that concern most of us,they are, unfortunately, the only ones available with supporters' group status, who, ( as far as I know ) have made the approach to the CEO to ask for a meeting to discuss their members concerns'.As part of the ongoing (120 days) cleaning up process at our club, being undertaken by our newly and legally elected CEO, I would like to think that he is well aware of the situation at hand, and will treat these minor, though vocal, supporters groups, with all the dignity of a CEO going about his duties, as the representative of Rangers football club.Hopefully he will put them at ease and let them go back to their respective groups with definitive answers to their questions and concerns' about the club.Equally hopefully, they will allow our CEO to continue to do his duty to our club,preferably unhindered,and allow him to seek answers to our club's immediate predicament (cost cutting). Maybe this will arouse our CEO's interest in all the many tens of thousands of Rangers supporters, out there in the world, and possibly endeavour to bring them under the one banner, so to speak, and start a Worldwide Rangers Supporters Club. Maybe, just maybe! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bheast Skelper 411 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Any fans group who put pressure on the board to do the right thing by Rangers is to be applauded.Unfortunately, what the rebel fan groups think the right thing for Rangers is, is actually only the right thing for Paul "the failed businessman" Murray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bheast Skelper 411 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 GW should have told them to get tae fuck.If he wanted to talk to the fans, he should have invited ONE nominated member from every registered supporters club and held a Q & A meeting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allanger 625 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Unfortunately, what the rebel fan groups think the right thing for Rangers is, is actually only the right thing for Paul "the failed businessman" Murray.Agree, his band of followers still hang around like a bad smell Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 How many members do each of these groups have? They dont represent my views, too many groups claiming to represent the fans and then push their own agendasWhat's wrong with those questions in the OP?They're good questions that need answered. What questions do you want asked, and have you put them to Graham Wallace? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The rebel tails attempting to wag the dog.So what, for pnce they are asking the correct questions. If admin isn't a possibility, then why are we entertaining bids for our best player? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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