Worried for the future.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

we shall have to agree to disagree then I guess.

Sounds good to me

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

So, you don't think bringing on Temps made a difference in either Arbroath game? 5-1 or 3-2?

Tbh no, not really. Not on a grand scale of a tactical master mind changing the game

[Robespierre 589]

They are? Wow ok

For what it's worth a couple of you are easy pleased but if that's your comfort zone and your happy then fine

But I'm comfortable and happy expecting a lot more given our players, wage bill and resources

Out of interest, what would you be happy with from this Rangers team?

I'll remind you that winning the Champions League isn't really possible at the moment.

[RangersFanBase 611]

So, to clarify, when we lose it is his fault, but if we turn it around it is to the players' credit?

No. If you actually looked at what I said, I said "most of the time it's the players turning it around themselves" - There may have been times when Ally's changed it, although most of the games where he hasn't changed anything and we still turn the game around to win - that's where it's to the players' credit.

When we draw like we did yesterday - That's managerial error; He could of made numerous changes both tactical and player changes - But didn't. He stood there expecting the players to do what they've done on their own before: Turn the game around. They couldn't do it, that's where he should of stepped in to make changes.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Out of interest, what would you be happy with from this Rangers team?

I'll remind you that winning the Champions League isn't really possible at the moment.

Ffs if we can't win the Champions League then we should withdraw our licence

Nae point

[legalbeagle 3,734]

Tbh no, not really. Not on a grand scale of a tactical master mind changing the game

The debate is not tactical master mind, it is changing the game. (Bear in mind your baseline was clueless and doing nothing)

And bear in mind Temps did actually score in the 3-2 game, so you may struggle to justify deciding to bring him on didn't have an impact.

The 5-1 game, I thought his directness gave a different impetus to the team.

[Inigo 32,532]

They are? Wow ok

For what it's worth a couple of you are easy pleased but if that's your comfort zone and your happy then fine

But I'm comfortable and happy expecting a lot more given our players, wage bill and resources

Our players (Wallace apart) are very ordinary. Top half of the top division standard. Teams of that standard are not able to be consistently be playing good football. Motherwell, Aberdeen, Dundee U, Hibs etc would be no different in our position. Actually, now that I think about it, I'd be surprised if they would have achieved our points total. This is borne out by the struggles they often have in the cups. We have a higher wage bill, but that is not a reflection on the standard of players we have. Our players are ridiculously overpaid, for a number of reasons.

[Robespierre 589]

No. If you actually looked at what I said, I said "most of the time it's the players turning it around themselves" - There may have been times when Ally's changed it, although most of the games where he hasn't changed anything and we still turn the game around to win - that's where it's to the players' credit.

When we draw like we did yesterday - That's managerial error; He could of made numerous changes both tactical and player changes - But didn't. He stood there expecting the players to do what they've done on their own before: Turn the game around. They couldn't do it, that's where he should of stepped in to make changes.

The players did turn the game around..twice actually. When it looked like they couldn't pull ahead, Ally made changes. I don't see much else he should've done tbh...

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

The debate is not tactical master mind, it is changing the game. (Bear in mind your baseline was clueless and doing nothing)

And bear in mind Temps did actually score in the 3-2 game, so you may struggle to justify deciding to bring him on didn't have an impact.

The 5-1 game, I thought his directness gave a different impetus to the team.

I never said Templeton never had any impact, I said it doesn't constitute a tactical masterstroke when we were up against it or anything.

and again, I said ages ago that I didn't mean it literally that he's never changed anything, ever. It has happened, as I've agreed with you (Brechin)

What I'm saying is that on the whole he's utterly clueless and a lot more often than not fails to make changes when needed.

The fact that you've only given me one example in Brechin (that I find credible) backs my viewpoint up - to me anyway.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Our players (Wallace apart) are very ordinary. Top half of the top division standard. Teams of that standard are not able to be consistently be playing good football. Motherwell, Aberdeen, Dundee U, Hibs etc would be no different in our position. Actually, now that I think about it, I'd be surprised if they would have achieved our points total. This is borne out by the struggles they often have in the cups. We have a higher wage bill, but that is not a reflection on the standard of players we have. Our players are ridiculously overpaid, for a number of reasons.

Thats a matter of opinion. I disagree. We have a team full of current and ex internationals against some of the worst teams in world football and struggling. I see it with my own two eyes.

As I said in my last post to you, if your happy then great.

I'm not

and there's more and more people like me who feel the same.

[RangersFanBase 611]

The players did turn the game around..twice actually. When it looked like they couldn't pull ahead, Ally made changes. I don't see much else he should've done tbh...

I've already said what he could of done? Bring on a more competent defender, Cribari was having an awful game.

And bring on a striker that could of changed things earlier on - Jon Daly also had an awful game.

[Robespierre 589]

I never said Templeton never had any impact, I said it doesn't constitute a tactical masterstroke when we were up against it or anything.

and again, I said ages ago that I didn't mean it literally that he's never changed anything, ever. It has happened, as I've agreed with you (Brechin)

What I'm saying is that on the whole he's utterly clueless and a lot more often than not fails to make changes when needed.

The fact that you've only given me one example in Brechin (that I find credible) backs my viewpoint up - to me anyway.

If he is as "clueless" as you claim he his, then why is he endorsed by some of the continent's great coaches? Andre Villas-Boas, Sir Alex Ferguson, and Walter Smith to name a few, I think they are slightly better qualified to make a judgement on him than you.

[Robespierre 589]

I've already said what he could of done? Bring on a more competent defender, Cribari was having an awful game.

And bring on a striker that could of changed things earlier on - Jon Daly also had an awful game.

How would replacing Cribari improve our chances of winning the game?

From my understanding, he did all he could on the attacking front, bringing Deano on for Little. Who was he to replace Daly with?

[simplythebest 11,453]

If he is as "clueless" as you claim he his, then why is he endorsed by some of the continent's great coaches? Andre Villas-Boas, Sir Alex Ferguson, and Walter Smith to name a few, I think they are slightly better qualified to make a judgement on him than you.

Managers generally stick up for other managers, it hardly proves anything.

[Robespierre 589]

Managers generally stick up for other managers, it hardly proves anything.

I would say it proves he isn't "clueless", however I agree to an extent with the point that he isn't tactically sound, he does appear naive rather often on the footballing front.

[gogzy 31,195]

He might not be the bestanager out there, in fact he defo isnt.

but calling him clueless is doing the man a great disservice IMO.

he is not clueless.

[legalbeagle 3,734]

I never said Templeton never had any impact, I said it doesn't constitute a tactical masterstroke when we were up against it or anything.

and again, I said ages ago that I didn't mean it literally that he's never changed anything, ever. It has happened, as I've agreed with you (Brechin)

What I'm saying is that on the whole he's utterly clueless and a lot more often than not fails to make changes when needed.

The fact that you've only given me one example in Brechin (that I find credible) backs my viewpoint up - to me anyway.

As long as your credibility doesn't accept that making changes that were needed counts as making changes when needed, it is difficult to debate.

I think tactical masterstroke is a high bar to set when your baseline is 'clueless'

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

If he is as "clueless" as you claim he his, then why is he endorsed by some of the continent's great coaches? Andre Villas-Boas, Sir Alex Ferguson, and Walter Smith to name a few, I think they are slightly better qualified to make a judgement on him than you.

Alex Ferguson endorses everyone

Walter Smith had a hand in appointing him

Avb has been sacked from almost every job he's had

Besides it's a managers club they all stick together it means nothing turn on SSN and you will hear Allardyce saying how he does want some manager that's not won in 20 games to get the sack etc bla bla it happens all the time

I prefer to make my own judgements on things based on what I see and I'm more than comfortable thinking Ally is a clueless manager

[simplythebest 11,453]

He might not be the bestanager out there, in fact he defo isnt.

but calling him clueless is doing the man a great disservice IMO.

he is not clueless.

It's an opinion based on watching his teams for almost three years.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

As long as your credibility doesn't accept that making changes that were needed counts as making changes when needed, it is difficult to debate.

I think tactical masterstroke is a high bar to set when your baseline is 'clueless'

Well he is clueless, sorry

[legalbeagle 3,734]

Well he is clueless, sorry

Apology accepted.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Apology accepted.

[gogzy 31,195]

It's an opinion based on watching his teams for almost three years.

well its a hughly insulting and shite opinion.

[TravelingWilBEARy 4,319]

Calling anyone who's spent a lifetime in the game - no matter who it is - 'clueless' is absolutely ridiculous, especially when they've spent that lifetime at the very top of their profession.

Even when taken literally, it can only be a post from someone incapable of even the simplest of rational thought.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Calling anyone who's spent a lifetime in the game - no matter who it is - 'clueless' is absolutely ridiculous, especially when they've spent that lifetime at the very top of their profession.

Even when taken literally, it can only be a post from someone incapable of even the simplest of rational thought.

Oh right so Alan Shearer couldn't be called a clueless manager either then despite relegating Newcastle but because he's played at the highest level in the Premiership and for England?