ready1873 3,885 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Alonso was magnificent with completely shagged tyres.How I hope we see him in a competitive car soon... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 How I hope we see him in a competitive car soon...Indeed best driver out there for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Where is Seb on the "best driver" list these days?... 1) Lewis2) Alonso3) Seb4) Button5) Rosberg* 6) Kimi 7) Ricciardo 8) Bottas 9) Hulkenberg 10) MassaIf they all had an equal car that would be my prediction for where each driver would finish on a Sunday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I would have kimi ahead of button and very close between Alonso and Hamilton but I would give it to Alonso as I cannot stand lewis.Very interesting discussion point though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 I would have kimi ahead of button and very close between Alonso and Hamilton but I would give it to Alonso as I cannot stand lewis.Very interesting discussion point though.I would have ranked Kimi higher but I don't think he's coped well with the cars since his return.Alonso and Lewis are probably about even but I would say Lewis is more consistent and would put in a faster qualifying lap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I would have ranked Kimi higher but I don't think he's coped well with the cars since his return.Alonso and Lewis are probably about even but I would say Lewis is more consistent and would put in a faster qualifying lap.A bit unfair on kimi but probs fair on lewis v Alonso. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 OzBlue - "What happened in the interview? Did Hamilton gub him?"He did that on the track no need to beat him again. While Hamilton was able to give a good reason for what he did his team mate was less forthcoming giving it the old "we'll discuss it as team line". He looked like a guy who fully believed that had he won Mercedes would have applied team orders in his favour for the rest of the season due to him having a large points advantage. Prior to the race he had been going on about how he'd like to beat Hamilton fair and square, but it was just bad luck that has stopped it. Well after starting twenty places ahead of him he still couldn't do it.Basically our wee German friend looked well pissed, he actually looked as if he was going to cry. I think he's realised that his team in asking Hamilton to pull over have shown that there has been a bias within the team. So far everybody on TV has been giving it the "it's just bad luck" line on what has been happening, after Sunday I think that a lot more people will be suspicious of the situation and will be watching things a lot closer. He might be a good driver but he's not anywhere near as good as Hamilton and deep down he knows it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Got to say I've never found Rosberg to be smug.A little boring, but always found him professional and courteous.I never said he was smug, Badger; I said he had a smug look on his dial, which is a different thing entirely. He certainly is professional and courteous, but he's still a smug looking bastard imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 OzBlue - "What happened in the interview? Did Hamilton gub him?"He did that on the track no need to beat him again. While Hamilton was able to give a good reason for what he did his team mate was less forthcoming giving it the old "we'll discuss it as team line". He looked like a guy who fully believed that had he won Mercedes would have applied team orders in his favour for the rest of the season due to him having a large points advantage. Prior to the race he had been going on about how he'd like to beat Hamilton fair and square, but it was just bad luck that has stopped it. Well after starting twenty places ahead of him he still couldn't do it.Basically our wee German friend looked well pissed, he actually looked as if he was going to cry. I think he's realised that his team in asking Hamilton to pull over have shown that there has been a bias within the team. So far everybody on TV has been giving it the "it's just bad luck" line on what has been happening, after Sunday I think that a lot more people will be suspicious of the situation and will be watching things a lot closer. He might be a good driver but he's not anywhere near as good as Hamilton and deep down he knows it.That's an interesting reply, mate; and a theory that suggests the goings on at Mercedes will have to be clarified by team Mercedes sooner or later; because if they don't publicly clarify that their drivers are free to race then what is the point of Hamilton staying there.I have never agreed with this "team orders" when you have two drivers fighting for the championship so I don't blame Hamilton for not slowing to allow Rosberg to pass him, especially when Rosberg didn't have the pace to pass on the tyres he had at that time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 It wasn't team orders to favour one driver, as such. It was a case of Mercedes wanting Hamilton not to hinder Rosbergs strategy (and they believed Hamilton letting Rosberg past wouldn't affect Lewis' strategy either).They were both on completely different strategies so there was no need for them to battle it out. Which is why Mercedes wanted Lewis to step aside, and also why Lewis said he would do if Rosberg was faster.The only problem was that Rosberg wasn't faster than Lewis to justify the team order so they eventually (correctly) cancelled the request. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I would have ranked Kimi higher but I don't think he's coped well with the cars since his return.Alonso and Lewis are probably about even but I would say Lewis is more consistent and would put in a faster qualifying lap.I have to disagree with that. Alonso the most consistent driver I've ever seen in Formula One. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Statistics since 2007..Lewis: Wins - 27, Podiums - 63, Pole - 35, Laps Led - 1600, Points - 1293Alonso: Wins - 17, Podiums - 60, Pole - 7, Laps Led - 810, Points - 1340According to those statistics, Alonso only betters Lewis on points (But Alonso scored more of those points after the scoring system was increased, otherwise Lewis would be ahead on that statistic also)Fairly conclusive that Hamilton is the more consistent driver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Hamilton has had more competitive cars than Alonso since 2007 though. Remember the crap 09 Renault car for instance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 How eloquently put by Horner...http://www.youtube....h?v=44H10ZCCJp0He's bang on for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,006 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 How eloquently put by Horner...http://www.youtube....h?v=44H10ZCCJp0He's bang on for me.Absolutely 100% correct. They are scared IMO for some reason to ask Bernie these questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol 401 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 16 year old Max Verstappen will become the youngest driver in F1 history after signing up with Toro Rosso for next season. He'll be 17 by then. Amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Wull 203 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 How eloquently put by Horner...http://www.youtube....h?v=44H10ZCCJp0He's bang on for me.He's just toeing the party line. All anyone in F1 cares about is money; in their world, greed outweighs principle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Wull 203 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Stats only show part of a picture. Rangers, statistically, were brilliant last season for instance.....Vettels stats blow everyone out the water, yet I think most rate him below Alonso and Hamilton. Indeed Webber's statistics 2010-2013 are pretty equal to Hamilton, but I know Hamilton would of handed it to him in the same car.In my opinion since 2007 Alonso has been in better or equal machinery to Hamilton 2 years out of 7. Hamilton has had contending machinery most seasons.It's been a long time since Alonso has had a car capable of regularly challenging for pole.Alonso is, in many respects other than ability, the F1 equivalent of Celtic. Take Singapore 2008 as an example. Alonso qualifies 15th at a track where it's very hard to overtake. Key members of his team (remember that the team manger was also Alonso's personal manager) concoct a scheme whereby Alonso's team-mate deliberately crashes and brings about an early safety car after Alonso has made an unusually early stop for fuel (but before the front-runners have made their first fuel stop). The plot works and Alonso wins the race when he would otherwise have been lucky to scrape into the top 8. If Alonso didn't know about the plot before the race, he found about about it the following season when it hit the headlines. Any decent person would have returned the trophy when he found out about his team's actions. Did Alonso? Did he hell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,948 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Rosberg has apparently admitted to clipping Hamilton on purpose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Rosberg has apparently admitted to clipping Hamilton on purpose.Read that..."to prove a point"...if this is true then it's just absolutely shocking and not in the spirit of the sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-the-Stripe 2,459 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Read that..."to prove a point"...if this is true then it's just absolutely shocking and not in the spirit of the sport.Rosberg has lost the plot, this is like Senna/Prost all over again.If that statement is true The FIA HAVE to take action not just Mercedes.It struck me as similar to Schumacher when Hill was in front and he just couldn't handle seeing his championship lead disappearing i think in Australia '94..Sad it's come to this, early season it was cracking racing between the two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,885 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I like Rosberg but he was clearly at fault. Wolff was livid! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlearyEyedBear 4,148 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If I were Lewis, I would've floored the cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,948 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I think the British media are over hyping it. Other media are reporting it slightly different.Rosberg is supposed to of said he didn't back out the move to prove a point. In a I'm prepared to hold my ground, and if we hit, so be it.Watch the on board. .. he's steering away when they make contact. He's not IMO tried to do what he did. It's nothing like Schumacher on Hill/Villeneuve.Although I'm unsure what point Rosbergs trying to prove. He had no chance of the overtake and tbh it wasn't particularly clever or needed at that moment in the race.... . But.... Mercedes and Rosberg have both been unhappy this season with being pushed wide by Hamilton in previous races.... then the team orders thing. I dunno.I'm loving how this battles developing. I like inter team politics in F1. However Mercedes are managing the situation weakly.Interested to see how Hamilton responds.... he's at his worst when he starts thinking victim.I get what you're saying but the two statements I put in bold essentially amount to intentionally causing the collision. He had no chance of the overtake, but decided to make it anyway, knowing it would likely lead to contact, to prove a point.He's too smart and too talented to think he could make that pass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I get what you're saying but the two statements I put in bold essentially amount to intentionally causing the collision. He had no chance of the overtake, but decided to make it anyway, knowing it would likely lead to contact, to prove a point.He's too smart and too talented to think he could make that pass.Agreed JamieD...it's not like it's first ever Grand Prix, this smacks of a deliberate collision, he was too far behind Hamilton at the turn to even attempt it on the outside. Hopefully Mercedes deal with this swiftly and appropriately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.