LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Could it be that we are that bad at defending on them because they aren't practiced at training? It's just a thought but we all know Warburton prefers the short corner so maybe that's all we are working on to try and perfect them instead of actually working on how teams will take them against us. It can't just be a coincidence that the one thing we rarely do ourselves when we attack also happens to be the thing we are worst at defensively. Can it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,613 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, TheLoudenTavernier said: Could it be that we are that bad at defending on them because they aren't practiced at training? It's just a thought but we all know Warburton prefers the short corner so maybe that's all we are working on to try and perfect them instead of actually working on how teams will take them against us. It can't just be a coincidence that the one thing we rarely do ourselves when we attack also happens to be the thing we are worst at defensively. Can it? Started a topic on this a few weeks back because I'm not sure you can get better at defending aerial corners unless you are up against a team that are good at them and we are good at neither of these. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno's Manbun 2,631 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, TheLoudenTavernier said: Could it be that we are that bad at defending on them because they aren't practiced at training? It's just a thought but we all know Warburton prefers the short corner so maybe that's all we are working on to try and perfect them instead of actually working on how teams will take them against us. It can't just be a coincidence that the one thing we rarely do ourselves when we attack also happens to be the thing we are worst at defensively. Can it? Surely he must practice defending long corners. If not then both him and DW need a boot up the arse. I would be of the opinion that our man marking is just horrendous, and we have zero presence in the air. If you watch Dembele first goal, he's completely unmarked, and when Kiernan went do attack it, it was like someone had just booted a rag doll into the air arse first. I reckon we could spend an entire week practicing them and still be shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band of Brothers 10,303 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 @Godfather summed it up perfect on match thread "every corner feels like a penalty". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 we are better, this season, because we follow smith and mccoist and keep everyone back. When I say 'better' I mean we still cannot defend but at least we have removed our attacking options should we miraculously win the initial ball Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, ex-guardsman said: @Godfather summed it up perfect on match thread "every corner feels like a penalty". That's true, I said that myself on another thread today too. There was a point in the 2nd half today when Kiernan tackled one of their players, I can't remember who, but the ball went out and we thought the ref had gave a corner. I actually celebrated when I realised a goal kick had been given. That's how bad it's become. Celebrating getting a fucking goal kick Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band of Brothers 10,303 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, TheLoudenTavernier said: That's true, I said that myself on another thread today too. There was a point in the 2nd half today when Kiernan tackled one of their players, I can't remember who, but the ball went out and we thought the ref had gave a corner. I actually celebrated when I realised a goal kick had been given. That's how bad it's become. Celebrating getting a fucking goal kick Even as far to say I watch corners through my hands now but its been like that since last season so should have been no1 priority getting 2 solid CB in not fucking retired grass kickers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, TheLoudenTavernier said: Could it be that we are that bad at defending on them because they aren't practiced at training? It's just a thought but we all know Warburton prefers the short corner so maybe that's all we are working on to try and perfect them instead of actually working on how teams will take them against us. It can't just be a coincidence that the one thing we rarely do ourselves when we attack also happens to be the thing we are worst at defensively. Can it? Nope. All four central defenders are dross. The only way we can improve in defending corners, is not to give any away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, ex-guardsman said: Even as far to say I watch corners through my hands now but its been like that since last season so should have been no1 priority getting 2 solid CB in not fucking retired grass kickers. I was the same today for their first goal and the same when Hibs got the corner at the end of the final. You know it's coming because there's zero confidence in our ability to clear the danger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibroxholm 2,281 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 We need to sort it out as we cannot keep losing aft goals in this way. We are quite a small team so we are at a slight disadvantage but surely we can overcome that in some way even if the goalie has to come of his line and take a few more chances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,613 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 16 minutes ago, ex-guardsman said: Even as far to say I watch corners through my hands now but its been like that since last season so should have been no1 priority getting 2 solid CB in not fucking retired grass kickers. We had plenty of warnings before the cup final (such as their first in the semi final and numerous league games) but the final should have made finding solid centre backs the priority this summer. Surely to fuck they know this after our start to the season but I fear January will be too late. In saying that I'd seriously consider bougherra coming in because whilst he had moments of shit your pants play most of them involved him bombing up the park on an Amoruso-esque charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjim1690 4,534 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I've been thinking this for months, but how do you practice defending corners when your forwards are all under 6 ft 5" tall?, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, slimjim1690 said: I've been thinking this for months, but how do you practice defending corners when your forwards are all under 6 ft 5" tall?, Moussa Dembele is under 6 ft 5 as is David Gray of Hibs. You don't have to be a giant to win a header. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50ShadesofBlue 667 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Teams should just play for corners against us. Shocking state of affairs that we can't header a ball clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjim1690 4,534 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, TheLoudenTavernier said: Moussa Dembele is under 6 ft 5 as is David Gray of Hibs. You don't have to be a giant to win a header. Aye I know mate, it just depresses the fuck out of me, every time we give away a corner I just go "oh fuck". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,227 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 We concede from corners on a regular basis. How often do we score ourselves from corners? The ratio would make disgraceful reading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, 50ShadesofBlue said: Teams should just play for corners against us. Shocking state of affairs that we can't header a ball clear. I dread to think what the score line would be if a team actually took that approach against us. 5 minutes ago, slimjim1690 said: Aye I know mate, it just depresses the fuck out of me, every time we give away a corner I just go "oh fuck". I know what you mean mate. It's frustrating as fuck to watch because you know what's coming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,540 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, centenarystand said: We concede from corners on a regular basis. How often do we score ourselves from corners? The ratio would make disgraceful reading. How often do we even put the ball into the box from a corner? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbt1548 1,851 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 We need to start with the basics of defensive corners, get your two nominated men, one onto each post, the number of times a ball drops into the goal near to the posts is a high percentage, today being an example. Yet still managers prefer not to put a man on each post, by not doing it gives an unguarded area for the attacker to aim for. It also gives the goalkeeper an extra area to cover rather than let him concentrate on possibly coming and clearing the ball. Once you've got that sorted get your man marking sorted, decide beforehand who is marking who and stick with it throughout the game, anyone who is not needed to mark someone can block a run by an attacker if needed. I understand probably both Mark Warburton and Davie Weir will have forgotten more about defensive tactics than I'll ever know but they must see the obvious, that we are not matching attackers movements at corners, we are starting our defensive movements too late and by doing so the other teams are getting the advantage. I am surprised at our defensive frailties, that is one area I thought that we would be strong in when we brought in Davie Weir as coach, something's going wrong coaching wise in that area and it needs to be addressed sooner than later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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