JCDBigBear 10,829 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jeffrey said: In what way? Do you seriously need an answer to that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: Do you seriously need an answer to that? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: I'm not naive and I didn't suggest that anything would stop. It would help the Rangers cause if we stopped it though. We have fans who simply refuse to understand that whether we like it or not times have changed. We give an inch they then want a mile. Time it stops and we start giving back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Fans arguing with each other over song choice. It feels like 2010 again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,829 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 It's time some of our support woke up to reality. You can rant and rave and hammer the keyboard but it won't change the fact that some songs and chants are deemed offensive and or sectarian. The Club knows that which is why they ask the support to change their ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: It's time some of our support woke up to reality. You can rant and rave and hammer the keyboard but it won't change the fact that some songs and chants are deemed offensive and or sectarian. The Club knows that which is why they ask the support to change their ways. How does it harm us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,829 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Malvern said: We give an inch they then want a mile. Time it stops and we start giving back. Why can't we sing about our Club instead of calling an opposition manager names? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,829 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jeffrey said: How does it harm us? I'm not going to explain it because I don't believe you don't actually know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,595 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: Why can't we sing about our Club instead of calling an opposition manager names? This but he’s going to have to grow a big pair after he’s announced as the new scums manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jeffrey said: How does it harm us? Well for a start, we have humped two teams in a row and all the papers can talk about it the songs we are singing. This wouldn't be the case if fans hadn't sang that song. The paper have a legitimate piece of dirt to throw at us and they are going for it, instead of printing pish about sandcastles getting kicked over to sell papers. It hurts our public perception in the short term, and in the long term ( if punishments and fines start getting handed out, or if strict liablity happens ) it could hurt us in more direct ways in terms of fines, sections being closed, points deductions. There are more negatives than positives for us by continuing to play into the medias hands by singing songs with the phrase "fenian bastards" in it. Now your turn, how does it help us by continuing to sing it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,644 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, gogzy said: Well for a start, we have humped two teams in a row and all the papers can talk about it the songs we are singing. This wouldn't be the case if fans hadn't sang that song. The paper have a legitimate piece of dirt to throw at us and they are going for it, instead of printing pish about sandcastles getting kicked over to sell papers. It hurts our public perception in the short term, and in the long term ( if punishments and fines start getting handed out, or if strict liablity happens ) it could hurt us in more direct ways in terms of fines, sections being closed, points deductions. There are more negatives than positives for us by continuing to play into the medias hands by singing songs with the phrase "fenian bastards" in it. Now your turn, how does it help us by continuing to sing it? It’s getting brought up because Clarke canny handle the fact we pumped his team. Heard the songs that have been perceived as the worst this season from us, and one is week in week out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: It’s getting brought up because Clarke canny handle the fact we pumped his team. Heard the songs that have been perceived as the worst this season from us, and one is week in week out Completely agree although that doesn't negate any of the points I have made. If we hadn't sung it, none of this would be happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Gnu 11,553 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Malvern said: We give an inch they then want a mile. Time it stops and we start giving back. 30 minutes ago, gogzy said: Fans arguing with each other over song choice. It feels like 2010 again. Thing is in 2010 many of our fans believed this was actually about what we sing, obviously all bar a deluded handful now know it’s all about wanting us dead. Irrespective of what we sing or don’t sing their hatred will not be affected and they’ll still want us closed down, the sad Fenian Bastard chant is just the latest of our songs they want banned, previously they’ve complained about The Sash, Derry’s Walls, Follow Follow, Penny Arcade, The Bouncy and even the pre match megamix because the session musicians whistled on it and the Bheasts thought it sounded like a flute. So although it’s probably a good idea to give the SFB chant a miss for a while in the longer term it won’t change a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: It's time some of our support woke up to reality. You can rant and rave and hammer the keyboard but it won't change the fact that some songs and chants are deemed offensive and or sectarian. The Club knows that which is why they ask the support to change their ways. They're deemed offensive by people who tell us what causes offence and what doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, They Gnu said: Thing is in 2010 many of our fans believed this was actually about what we sing, obviously all bar a deluded handful now know it’s all about wanting us dead. Irrespective of what we sing or don’t sing their hatred will not be affected and they’ll still want us closed down, the sad Fenian Bastard chant is just the latest of our songs they want banned, previously they’ve complained about The Sash, Derry’s Walls, Follow Follow, Penny Arcade, The Bouncy and even the pre match megamix because the session musicians whistled on it and the Bheasts thought it sounded like a flute. So although it’s probably a good idea to give the SFB chant a miss for a while in the longer term it won’t change a thing. It's never really been about what we sing. It's always been about perception. We re made out to be the big bad bigots at every opportunity. We have to box clever though if we don't give them the ammo then they will have to continue to print shite about us. The shite is easier to see through from the outside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, BridgeIsBlue said: They're deemed offensive by people who tell us what causes offence and what doesn't. Agreed, but the apparent "victim" always has the power these days. We need to stop giving them shit to throw at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, gogzy said: Agreed, but the apparent "victim" always has the power these days. We need to stop giving them shit to throw at us. So we can play the victim and cry about being called H*** and orange bastards etc, then what happens? It gets laughed away as banter or we love it. Said it before that if people want to have a genuine discussion about sectarianism then that's fine, but myself and others won't take lessons on morality from those that have an obsession with seeing our club and community wiped from existence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, gogzy said: Well for a start, we have humped two teams in a row and all the papers can talk about it the songs we are singing. This wouldn't be the case if fans hadn't sang that song. The paper have a legitimate piece of dirt to throw at us and they are going for it, instead of printing pish about sandcastles getting kicked over to sell papers. It hurts our public perception in the short term, and in the long term ( if punishments and fines start getting handed out, or if strict liablity happens ) it could hurt us in more direct ways in terms of fines, sections being closed, points deductions. There are more negatives than positives for us by continuing to play into the medias hands by singing songs with the phrase "fenian bastards" in it. Now your turn, how does it help us by continuing to sing it? So people who will badmouth us no matter what are bad mouthing us? That's not harming us as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, JCDBigBear said: I'm not going to explain it because I don't believe you don't actually know. Thought not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jeffrey said: So people who will badmouth us no matter what are bad mouthing us? That's not harming us as far as I'm concerned. Yes they will, that's not going to change. The only thing we can do is not give them actual ammo to use against us, which will result in puff pieces with no substance. Its certainly not helping us, is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,829 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, gogzy said: Yes they will, that's not going to change. The only thing we can do is not give them actual ammo to use against us, which will result in puff pieces with no substance. Its certainly not helping us, is it? You are wasting your time trying to reason with some people Gogzy. They refuse to accept that times have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, JCDBigBear said: You didn't answer I see. I've always thought that song was pretty awful but as the Club has asked us not to sing it then that should be good enough for our supporters. I never mentioned any other songs whatsoever. Answer what? You mean you didn't answer both of my very direct questions, which says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, gogzy said: Yes they will, that's not going to change. The only thing we can do is not give them actual ammo to use against us, which will result in puff pieces with no substance. Its certainly not helping us, is it? What ammo? That we clean up the Tommy Burns tune and still get hammered, by even our very own snowflakes. You want us to ditch our Orange song sheet, including cleaning up TBB? WTF do you want us to sing? The only people harming our club is our board in it's pathetic response and the appeasers of all things taig. You don't give in to bullies, you take their fucking head off. Simples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, gogzy said: Yes they will, that's not going to change. The only thing we can do is not give them actual ammo to use against us, which will result in puff pieces with no substance. Its certainly not helping us, is it? It's also not doing us any harm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,054 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: What ammo? That we clean up the Tommy Burns tune and still get hammered, by even our very own snowflakes. You want us to ditch our Orange song sheet, including cleaning up TBB? WTF do you want us to sing? The only people harming our club is our board in it's pathetic response and the appeasers of all things taig. You don't give in to bullies, you take their fucking head off. Simples. Spot on as always Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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